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Re: SSL Six

Postby The Elf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:05 pm

Or like the digital output option I have fitted to one of my SuperAnalogue Channels? If they could do it in the past I see no reason they couldn't do it now.

I like your idea, and I sincerely hope they could do something like you suggest (not a separate box, though - I like the 'dock' idea!).
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Re: SSL Six

Postby Arpangel » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:28 am

One day recently I had one of those "who cares" moments and actually considered ordering a Six to replace my Mackie 1202, all was fine, but the thing that stopped me from picking up the phone wasn't channel count, looks, lack of digital I/O, it was........D-Sub's!!!!
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Re: SSL Six

Postby ef37a » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:39 am

Arpangel wrote:One day recently I had one of those "who cares" moments and actually considered ordering a Six to replace my Mackie 1202, all was fine, but the thing that stopped me from picking up the phone wasn't channel count, looks, lack of digital I/O, it was........D-Sub's!!!!

Awww! Surely if you have a sufficiently flexible friend for a Six you can run to some breakout cables? Or, like me you might find making your own very zen?

Err? NOT put off by the external PSU?

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Re: SSL Six

Postby Arpangel » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:59 am

ef37a wrote:
Arpangel wrote:One day recently I had one of those "who cares" moments and actually considered ordering a Six to replace my Mackie 1202, all was fine, but the thing that stopped me from picking up the phone wasn't channel count, looks, lack of digital I/O, it was........D-Sub's!!!!

Awww! Surely if you have a sufficiently flexible friend for a Six you can run to some breakout cables? Or, like me you might find making your own very zen?

Err? NOT put off by the external PSU?

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Ha! Not worried about the PSU, I don't know what it is about D-Sub's? they are an expense, but I find them a bit comfusing, you have to label everything, and on a mixer that size there isn't enough I/O to not use XLR/Jack connectors. So you've got the D-Sub and the PSU to carry around to gigs etc.
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Re: SSL Six

Postby jellyjim » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:26 pm

I reckon there's definitely still a market for high quality analogue consoles with a slightly lower spec than a full desk. Perhaps even a gap in the market.

Analogue suits my workflow, outlook and expectations. I'm a middle-aged man with a good salary (thank you Shiva) so these kind of prices aren't unmanageable.

I like to eliminate variables. SSL is a guarantee of quality. If the sound coming out of it is rubbish then I'm to blame, not the gear. I find that kind of thing clears my creative decks.

Is it just me or does this Neve console sound a bit shit? Um, no it's just you, cloth ears :bouncy:

I find myself Googling things like "vintage Sony broadcast mixers that sound fab but haven't gone crazy prices yet" or looking at moth eaten Ameks on Reverb and thinking "just needs a polish" ...

Whether I need to go as far as SSL kind of quality is probably a question worth asking myself but anyway, I'll await the SiX-and-a-bit, or EiGHT or TWeLVe or whatever it might be ... or just dump a synth ;)
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Re: SSL Six

Postby jellyjim » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:44 pm

Great walkthrough here of an application similar to my own and a clear demonstration of just how versatile it is

https://www.soundtech.co.uk/musicians-b ... onic-music
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Re: SSL Six

Postby jellyjim » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:09 pm

The manual says:

Foldback Outputs as Effects Sends
It is perfectly feasible to use the Foldback Outputs as stereo feeds to external effects processors such as delays and reverbs. Typically, the processor’s output would be connected to one of the External returns, then summed to the main bus using the External summing switches to the Main Bus above the Main Fader.

I don't quite follow this. Channels 1-6 can send to both STE Cue 1 and STE Cue 2 and the output jacks are at the back. So these could be, for example, stereo reverb send and stereo delay send. But where are the returns? I was going to say Ext 1 and Ext 2 but they appear in the F/BACK section under the G-SERIES BUS COMP section and this looks like a send to me. Is this section actually selecting what's sent to the main mix bus (of the three options in it)?

Hmm. Looking at the manual I see the MON SOURCE selection which has volume for Ext 1 and Ext 2 so could these be return levels for the reverb and delay. I think that F/BACK1 F/BACK 2 section is confusing me ... help! :headbang:
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Re: SSL Six

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:43 am

jellyjim wrote:...But where are the returns? I was going to say Ext 1 and Ext 2 but they appear in the F/BACK section under the G-SERIES BUS COMP section and this looks like a send to me. Is this section actually selecting what's sent to the main mix bus (of the three options in it)?

The Ext 1 and Ext2 stereo inputs would be a good way of getting stereo effects returns back into the main mix bus. The input level controls are in the monitoring section, as you say, and there are buttons above the main output fader to route them into the main stereo mix bus.

I think that F/BACK1 F/BACK 2 section is confusing me ... help! :headbang:

The F/Back section is just SSL's fancy-pants name for the Aux master outputs or artists headphones. It's foldback to the artist...

The channels have (aux) sends called 'Stereo Cues'. They route into the corresponding F/Back 1/2 sections which are normally expected to drive the artist headphones. Consequently, they are equipped with extra facilities beyond a simple Aux master.

They have the usual output level control and buttons to switch the respective (aux) Cue sends globally pre/post. But there's also individual talkback buttons and options to route the external inputs (ext1, ext2) into the artist headphones.
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Re: SSL Six

Postby jellyjim » Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:53 am

Great, thanks Hugh. That makes sense.
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Re: SSL Six

Postby ef37a » Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:34 pm

Jellyjim, if old analogue desks are your thing lookey here..https://homerecording.com/bbs/general-d ... 401007/15/

The guy Sweetbeats is THE dog's danglers with old tape machines and mixers. He has spent a small fortune of that Studer desk but reckons it sounds blissful and the build quality is second to none.

The whole thread will take you a good two wet Saturdays to get through but I bet you will learn a few things. There is beardy tweaky guy that interjects. Knows "stuff" and has some good test gear it would seem but a bit of a PITA. Everyone is polite to him however although we suspect he is a bit "fur coat and no nickers"!

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Re: SSL Six

Postby jellyjim » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:49 am

ef37a wrote:The whole thread will take you a good two wet Saturdays to get through but I bet you will learn a few things. There is beardy tweaky guy that interjects. Knows "stuff" and has some good test gear it would seem but a bit of a PITA. Everyone is polite to him however although we suspect he is a bit "fur coat and no nickers"!

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haha! thanks dave, i'll take a look and watch out for mr no nickers (ewww, there's an image i didn't need)
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Re: SSL Six

Postby jellyjim » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:13 am

Nope, no matter how I slice it I've too many inputs to squeeze into this little beauty. Sad face.

Hugh Robjohns wrote:However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if SSL release a bigger version of the SiX (maybe a TWeLVE*) console very soon... :lol:

How soon, Hugh? I mean hypothetically of course. Because nobody knows nuffin'. You 'aven't seen me guvnor etc.

Within 6 months? 12 months?
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Re: SSL Six

Postby ef37a » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:46 am

Someone mentioned an "add on" unit or docking station?

Now, I apologise for dragging the thread down to my (whale ****) level but I am always surprised that no one has brought out a better version of the Behringer UCA202/222?

For converting the output of a desk at a live show (but watch the levels, it is a neg ten device) and especially for dubbing cassette or vinyl it is a very handy and cheap box. They also do not seem to suffer from the "USB whine" so common in 16bit USB mixers? As they go they get a noise floor around -83dBfs.

A better mousetrap. 24 bits of course and a selection of sampling Fs. Gain controls and a symmetrical (i.e. "proper") balanced out of +24dBu and of course a noise floor well below -100dBfs. I think all that could be done for well under £100 and the box still be USB bus powered.

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Re: SSL Six

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:54 am

jellyjim wrote:How soon, Hugh? I mean hypothetically of course. Because nobody knows nuffin'. You 'aven't seen me guvnor etc.

Within 6 months? 12 months?

I genuinely don't know if they are really going to make a larger version, but it is an obvious thing to do and there were knowing smiles and winks when I raised the topic... so I'd be very surprised if it took as long as 12 months to appear. They probably want to see how sales go with the SiX first, though...

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Re: SSL Six

Postby jellyjim » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:55 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
jellyjim wrote:How soon, Hugh? I mean hypothetically of course
I genuinely don't know if they are really going to make a larger version, but it is an obvious thing to do and there were knowing smiles and winks when I raised the topic... so I'd be very surprised if it took as long as 12 months to appear. They probably want to see how sales go with the SiX first, though...

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