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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby The Elf » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:22 am

I long ago sold the pads. At one time they were much sought after.

Kenton made me a custom cable to connect my Simmons SDS8 brain, via its sequencer port, to their Pro-4 MIDI interface, so I can trigger them from my DAW (which means I can pretty much trigger them from anything, including audio hitpoints). For adding weight, or snap, to real drums the Simmons really are a secret weapon.

My personal favourite Simmons recordings are most definitely those involving Thomas Dolby (who also seemed to layer them with real drums, if my ears serve me correctly), but 'Second Home by the Sea' by Genesis is a mighty example of the power of the pure Simmons sound.

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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby Dave B » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:51 am

TMDR used an SDS 5 module for some of the tracks on the Golden Age of Wireless - She Blinded Me with Science and Windpower were basically total SDS5 rhythm tracks. Very cool and the former is quite clever use of the modules to not go 'boosh' or 'weeeeoooh' ;)
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby Zukan » Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:04 am

I remember when I used to remix commercial hits for the club circuits for 9 Bar and Chrysalis and every time it was an Urban track the remit was to use the 808. In fact when working with Busta Rhymes I was told not to veer away from the 808 and to use it for both the bass line and the drum content. The problem, in those days, was getting a single tone to behave as a riff. Nowadays, it's a doddle.

Clearly, this has dik to do with this thread so I'll go off and have my cinnamon porridge and reflect on my behaviour here today.
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby The Elf » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:47 am

Hey, Eddie - I'd love to hear more of those stories, mate! Maybe one for a sausage and beer?!

Like most at the time, I used an 808, because I couldn't afford a Linn. The 909 was just a joke back then, essentially using the worst of both worlds - weedy analogue for the power sounds and too-short samples for the metalwork. I still hate the 909's boingy toms and choked-off cymbals. I moved on to a Sequential Drumtracks (with a couple of Linn EPROMs on ZIFs).

Though I was utterly jaded with the 808 back then, I have to come to appreciate what it does well - it was never going to give me the power-drums I craved at the time. In the right context it is simply beautiful. Even more so the CR78, of which I would love to have a collection of properly separated sounds, unlike the pretty dodgy collection I have now. I was gobsmacked when Roland's TR8 failed to include CR78 material, yet foisted upon us those goddawful 606 sniffs and plops.

For me it's about the raw sounds, so the RD-8's sequencer and on-board processing is of little interest. But if it does get the sound right for that money...
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby Rich Hanson » Fri Aug 16, 2019 11:49 am

I was going to defend the 606 until I realised I was thinking of the 707 :roll: :D

If it helps, Waldorf's Attack drum synth makes a reasonable fist of CR78 sounds.
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby nathanscribe » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:01 pm

The Elf wrote:goddawful 606 sniffs and plops.

GASP :o

I really like the lightness of the 606, it sits really well with something heavier I think. The hats are expressive too, with the way they interact when layered and accented in various ways.

The TR8s nails the 606 kick, snare, and toms, as far as my ears go when A/Bing with an original. The cymbal/hats, less so. I've found myself using the TR8s for sample-based drum machine material (importing all my old samples of the 505, RZ-1, RX11 etc) but not so much for the modelled sounds.

I am hoping that the RD-8 will finally satisfy my craving for decent analogue 808 sounds at a price I can justify!
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby Zukan » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:09 pm

The Elf wrote:Hey, Eddie - I'd love to hear more of those stories, mate! Maybe one for a sausage and beer?!

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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby FrankF » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:49 pm

Elf and Dave B, that is fascinating! I knew Dolby had used the Movement Drum Computer on the magnificent Golden Age of Wireless, but I'd never have guessed that there were Simmons sounds on there as well. I shall mock those toms no more, no never no more.
Great pic of the Movement here:
http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/mcs_drumcomputer.php

Now I'm wondering about all the unusual percussion sounds on One of our Submarines, which I believe was recorded about the same time as Golden Age...

Back to the RD-808 ;) : save yourselves £300 with this freebie! You can even save your patterns as .wav files, AND choose different drumkits. :bouncy:
(Uli B missed a trick there, mefinks.)
https://html5drummachine.com/virtual-drum-machine/
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby The Elf » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:05 pm

Rich Hanson wrote:I was going to defend the 606 until I realised I was thinking of the 707 :roll: :D
The less said about the 707, the better... :beamup:
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby Rich Hanson » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:11 pm

Well I liked it :P
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby Dave B » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:12 pm

Frank, that’s the first I’ve heard about the Movement - was it even available then? I thought that it was Henry (ppg Wavecomputer 340/380) which generated the actual sequences that drove the SDS5.

Interestingly, he also acquired a tr606 and tb303 sometime which he used to demo ideas - famously down a phone to Michael Jackson ..
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby The Elf » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:14 pm

Rich Hanson wrote:Well I liked it :P
Ah, you're the one! ;) :lol:
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby FrankF » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:52 pm

Dave B wrote:Frank, that’s the first I’ve heard about the Movement - was it even available then? I thought that it was Henry (ppg Wavecomputer 340/380) which generated the actual sequences that drove the SDS5.

Interestingly, he also acquired a tr606 and tb303 sometime which he used to demo ideas - famously down a phone to Michael Jackson ..
Yes, the wave computer is credited on almost every track in my Wireless CD sleeve-notes, so maybe he used the Movement later: he's name-dropped in the Vintagesynth link above, whence my confusion.
Excellent interview with TD here: he wrote Hyperactive for Michael Jackson! Well, you learn summat new every day.
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby DGL. » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:52 pm

..and talking about Simmonds drums, the all Simmonds kit that Roger Rizzitelli used on JMJ's 1981 China concerts, even the cymbals were Simmonds!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l51VPwyyd5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQOJny6oy7A

and as for the movement drum computer, it was supposedly shown off to Depeche Mode and they gave the designers a really punchy bass drum sound made on the 2600 to sample into their machine so they could see how good it was, about a week later they returned only for them to find out that the bass drum had got from puncy and full life to being really weak.

The MDS was also used a lot by Dave Stewart (Eurythmics) and is the computer shown in the "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)" video, being operated by Dave.
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Re: Behringer RD-8

Postby The Elf » Sat Aug 17, 2019 5:39 pm

nathanscribe wrote:I am hoping that the RD-8 will finally satisfy my craving for decent analogue 808 sounds at a price I can justify!
If you've got the TR-8S I don't think the RD-8 will give you anything significant, TBH. I think Roland really cracked those old TR machine sounds in the 8/8S. I so wish they'd put the CR78 in there and it truly would have been my dream machine. As it is I have CR78 samples, but there's just something not quite right about them in sample form.
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