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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Mike Stranks » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:24 pm

hobbyist wrote: Any six year old can program these days:)

Not quite. Any six year old may be able to write contextually correct code, but I'd argue that there's a whole lot more to programming than that. You have to understand the application, determine logical action sequences and know where and when the system has to test parameter values and branch accordingly.

The most important part of that is understanding the whole application. Some of the stuff for which I designed systems and programs took me many weeks to understand, such was the complexity. I know some pretty bright under-10s, but...
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby hobbyist » Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:31 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:
hobbyist wrote: Any six year old can program these days:)

Not quite. Any six year old may be able to write contextually correct code, but I'd argue that there's a whole lot more to programming than that. You have to understand the application, determine logical action sequences and know where and when the system has to test parameter values and branch accordingly.

The most important part of that is understanding the whole application. Some of the stuff for which I designed systems and programs took me many weeks to understand, such was the complexity. I know some pretty bright under-10s, but...

In theory yes. In practice it is still a program and if it works correctly then the frills of a salable program are fluff.

Oh, wait. Most programs sold are full of bugs and alpha versions that the users are debugging for the adult programmers writing them.
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Mike Stranks » Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:15 pm

I'm done... life's too short...

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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Aug 24, 2019 12:03 am

Don't worry Mike, James has escorted hobbiest from the building for expressing some unpleasant and inappropriate views in other threads.
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Tim Gillett » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:23 am

On gating generally, I feel it's so easy to set gating thresholds wrongly by, as Hugh says, not fine tuning manually, or even using gating when it's unnecessary and harmful. I was just watching this short historical Wimbledon clip from British Pathe. Around 0:50 the audio gets interesting. No substitute to actually listening to the results of our work...

https://youtu.be/GMwcmWnB80I
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Mixedup » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:40 am

I find the most 'transparent' way to gate is to process the side-chain signal to emphasise events you wish to trigger it. And either nudge the side-chain signal forward in time or use look ahead, for slightly early triggering/less aggressive attacks.

Alternatively, strip silence, but with a pre/post offset to the cut that allows you then to select all and apply suitable fades. Though if you want to manipulate the 'side-chain' trigger for that process it can get more fiddly.

You still have to listen to each edit, though...
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Tim Gillett » Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:13 am

Mixedup wrote:
...You still have to listen to each edit, though...

Yes! It requires the human touch (the first set of ears) because it's humans that have to listen to it.
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Elephone » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:08 pm

Thanks for the advice. I'll try more tweaking of the gate settings. Speaking of gates and samples...

http://www.airwindows.com/softgate-vst/
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:45 pm

Elephone wrote:Thanks for the advice. I'll try more tweaking of the gate settings. Speaking of gates and samples...

http://www.airwindows.com/softgate-vst/

Nice! Once again I'm pleased to be supporting Chris Johnson of Airwindows via Patreon :thumbup:


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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Elephone » Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:00 pm

Martin Walker wrote: Nice! Once again I'm pleased to be supporting Chris Johnson of Airwindows via Patreon :thumbup:

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I would like to hear his vinyl rant.
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Martin Walker » Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:55 am

Elephone wrote:
Martin Walker wrote: Nice! Once again I'm pleased to be supporting Chris Johnson of Airwindows via Patreon :thumbup:

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I would like to hear his vinyl rant.

Only patrons can access this, and Chris had some trouble with his first rant, as his YouTube file got removed by YT forces because it featured short snippets of Beatles tracks :headbang:

However, to give you a flavour here's part of the synopsis for his second 'rant':

"This will be a colossally arrogant podcast. My only excuse here is that I didn’t do these records. I’ve learned as much as I can about them, and I’m here to explain what makes them so amazing and why they’ve survived my whole lifetime while newer, more heavily marketed records fade and die. I’m going to ignore much about lyrics and melodies and focus on the SOUND of the records, and you’ll probably find many of the sounds strange (especially if you’re listening on laptops… or earbuds… really, a horrifying amount of modern music playback technology won’t be your friend here)."


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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby CS70 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:50 am

You can certainly use gates if you like, but doing it in the DAW is imho so much better as control goes that it's worth the 15m job.
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby Elephone » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:24 pm

I liked (the demo of) Zynaptiq's Unveil and when used in combination with a gate. As a de-reverber, Unveil's 0/1 facility allows you to render (bounce) both the 'dried' signal and 'pure' reverb as separate tracks and mix them to taste later.
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Re: Gating/Auto-Splicing: An optical system for digital audio...?

Postby CS70 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:33 pm

Cool, curious about Uveil..
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