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How useful is this popshield?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUpdfpOPf4Y
The guitar solo's interesting too, but it's the popshield I'm mainly interested in. I thought it worked best with a distance of air between shield and mic.
The guitar solo's interesting too, but it's the popshield I'm mainly interested in. I thought it worked best with a distance of air between shield and mic.
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
It does! Physics, innit! ;-)
But great things can still be achieved despite technical faux pas.
Just imagine what it would be like if everyone was truly competent! :lol:
But great things can still be achieved despite technical faux pas.
Just imagine what it would be like if everyone was truly competent! :lol:
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
Don't the Neumann U47 popshields sit really close to the mic?
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
It's a video. Very unlikely what you see has any direct relationship with the sound you hear :)
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
^^^
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Probably moved to get a good close-up mic+singer shot.
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Probably moved to get a good close-up mic+singer shot.
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
And worth it I'd say :bouncy:
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
Dr Huge Longjohns wrote:Don't the Neumann U47 popshields sit really close to the mic?
Yes... We all know better now! ;-)
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
Windshields are there to break up the turbulent blasts of air.
So long as the external windshield and the built in one on the mic’ do that before the sound wave reaches the capsule then there shouldn’t be a problem.
I don’t suppose all windshields are equal in their capabilities. I wonder if the U47 one has a finer mesh or sandwiched meshes?
So long as the external windshield and the built in one on the mic’ do that before the sound wave reaches the capsule then there shouldn’t be a problem.
I don’t suppose all windshields are equal in their capabilities. I wonder if the U47 one has a finer mesh or sandwiched meshes?
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
CS70 wrote:It's a video. Very unlikely what you see has any direct relationship with the sound you hear :)
So, maybe it was a joke?
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
Not a joke, but when you make a video not all these details may be checked property, and so long the picture is good and overall resembles the performance, it's usually fine.
Maybe it was really like it appeared, of course, there's no way to know, but the fact that there's multiple angles and accurate cuts makes it less likely.
Maybe it was really like it appeared, of course, there's no way to know, but the fact that there's multiple angles and accurate cuts makes it less likely.
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
Personally I don't like metal pop filters - they do work and have less colouration that the nylon ones; but can resonate and strong plosives can get through.
The Nylon ones do colour the sound.
The best are the foam ones with course open-cell foam - this tends to me hydrophobic so doesn't absorb moisture and are easy to wash clean and dry quickly.
But, as Hugh says, any pop filter needs some space between the filter and the mic. to work effectively.
The Nylon ones do colour the sound.
The best are the foam ones with course open-cell foam - this tends to me hydrophobic so doesn't absorb moisture and are easy to wash clean and dry quickly.
But, as Hugh says, any pop filter needs some space between the filter and the mic. to work effectively.
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
You could avoid windshields all together by positioning the mic’ above the mouth, looking down at it, since the plosives go straight out/downwards. That does rely on the singer looking straight ahead and not angling their mouth back at the mic’.
Or you could go old school and have the mic’ similarly positioned but a few feet away, to get more of the chest sound. That does rely on good acoustics though.
Or you could go old school and have the mic’ similarly positioned but a few feet away, to get more of the chest sound. That does rely on good acoustics though.
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
MOF wrote:You could avoid windshields all together by positioning the mic’ above the mouth, looking down at it, since the plosives go straight out/downwards. That does rely on the singer looking straight ahead and not angling their mouth back at the mic’.
Or you could go old school and have the mic’ similarly positioned but a few feet away, to get more of the chest sound. That does rely on good acoustics though.
Or you put a dummy mic. to sing to and the real one where it's best. :thumbup:
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
John Willett wrote:Personally I don't like metal pop filters - they do work and have less colouration that the nylon ones; but can resonate and strong plosives can get through.
As always there are different qualities... Most metal pop screens have less tonal affect than the multilayer Nylon ones, and they are certainly a lot easier to wash and keep clean. I've not had any resonance problems with any myself, but if the hole size is too large plosives can definitely get through. I was sent a very attractive looking metal pop screen to test from a UK company a few months back and it was utterly hopeless at stopping plosives from hitting the mic capsule! But on the up side I've also used plenty oif metal screens that have proved to be extremely effective and usable.
That said, though, I'm completely with JW that the open-cell foam types are easily the best option -- I'd recommend either the Rycote Studio inVision models, or the Haken ones (that JW sells through SoundLink).
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
I watched this video in full after my original reply.
The windshield has been pushed in at the top and so isn’t as effective.
However it’s a fairly understated vocal and doesn’t contain many of the plosive type words. If you were able to hear it soloed it most likely wouldn’t have any plosives.
For most vocalists it’s best to keep 2”+ of air space between the mic’ and pop shield.
The windshield has been pushed in at the top and so isn’t as effective.
However it’s a fairly understated vocal and doesn’t contain many of the plosive type words. If you were able to hear it soloed it most likely wouldn’t have any plosives.
For most vocalists it’s best to keep 2”+ of air space between the mic’ and pop shield.
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Re: How useful is this popshield?
Considering I cant hear any plosives Id say it was pretty effective :) However as CS70 said - that (almost certainly) wasn't the performance we were listening to in any case, so who knows ;) but +1 to open cell foam shields..
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