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Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby garrettendi » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:47 pm

So you all know I'm a total idiot... I'd appreciate it if someone dumbed it down for me...

I've got a Behringer HM300 - a clone of the Boss HM-2 - and as per everyone else on the interweb, all the knobs are set to 10! I fed it into my UMC204HD interface (pad engaged), and then into my TSE X50 amp sim which was already relatively high gain, and it sounded marvelous!

But here's the thing, while I did have to turn the gain/trim knob down a wee bit on the UMC, it wasn't clipping at all.... I figured the HM300 dimed would be so loud it'd be unusable into the UMC.

Don't get me wrong I'm glad it works, but it makes no sense...

Explain for the SOS Village Idiot? :thumbup:
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Wonks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:54 pm

A line level signal is hotter than a guitar level signal (so a line level input has more headroom than an amp input). You've certainly increased the guitar signal level, but you've got the -20dB pad engaged, so the overall result is that the input signal is still below the maximum input level for the line input. So no 0dBFS signals.
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby garrettendi » Tue Nov 19, 2019 2:55 pm

Thanks Wonks! That is sufficiently dumbed down! :thumbup:
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 19, 2019 3:46 pm

Remember too that a maxed out distortion pedal is, effectively, a brick wall limiter.
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Wonks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:09 pm

Well, you get gain, distortion/limiting and then a volume control. So you are certainly limiting the peaks by a degree of clipping, but it's not normally full flat-top clipping unless it's a real fuzz pedal. But the volume control still allows extra volume after the distortion section. On some pedals, quite a lot of extra volume. I'm looking at you, MXR Doubleshot Distortion pedal!
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:22 pm

True enough but no real peaks ether.
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Wonks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:04 pm

Well, whatever peaks they do have, they'll have a lot more amplitude than the original guitar signal!
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:05 pm

True, if it's maxed out but it'll still, as you said, probably be less than a line level signal. But a Heavy Metal distortion won't have any peaks with everything set at 10.
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Wonks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:09 pm

It will still have lots of peaks, just a lot all at the same height.
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:17 pm

Wonks wrote:It will still have lots of peaks, just all at the same height.

FTFY

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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Wonks » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:20 pm

Are you saying Garrettendi plays without any dynamics? :D
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby garrettendi » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:30 pm

Wonks wrote:Are you saying Garrettendi plays without any dynamics? :D

I am hurt and offended by this very accurate comment! :lol:
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:07 pm

:bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

Hmmm, with a maxed distortion pedal (as opposed to an overdrive) there will be, pretty much, peaks and silences with nowt in between however you play. It's the nature of the beast.
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby garrettendi » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:09 pm

I would like to point out I don’t normally play with quite that much gain but I like to vary things!

I do have a soft spot for a Fender amp with a bit o’ reverb
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Re: Heavy gain effects pedals into interface - Dumb it down?

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:13 pm

:smirk: yeah but in your OP you say

I've got a Behringer HM300 - a clone of the Boss HM-2 - and as per everyone else on the interweb, all the knobs are set to 10!

It's not meant for subtle overdrive and dynamic, it's METAL, so we answer the question as asked.

Fender with a little reverb? Yes very tasty :thumbup:
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