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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby redlester » Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:57 am

desmond wrote:It depends on a few things, if you Google around you'll get some things to try, including "Hide Updates" on the app store page, disabling app store updates and notifications, and so on.

https://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/mac-s ... s-3681778/

Here's a proper way for Mojave notifications, that should likely still work:
http://osxdaily.com/2018/10/26/stop-upgrade-macos-mojave-notifications/

To expand on this, the UAD page on Catalina (in)compatibility gives a good clear guide on how to turn off updates in Mojave.
https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articl ... ility-Info
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby Dave Rowles » Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:13 am

I'm glad I upgraded to Mojave before that happened. Looks like I'll be keeping Mojave for a while!
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby ConcertinaChap » Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:54 pm

As it happened a couple of days ago I had a problem on my machine that required erasing the main drive to sort (a lot of credit to Apple support here, they spent a lot of time either on chat or on the phone going through the problem with me and getting it sorted). Rather than reapply my Superduper backup I decided to do a fresh install of Mojave (was on HS before). Had no real problems with this or reinstalling any software. What was interesting was what came up with the future compatibility warning for being 32 bit. There were quite a lot of such warnings but with one exception they were all installers; the software they were installing was fine. (The exception was Sibelius 7).

Now I'm on Mojave I think I'll stay there for the next two years.

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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby cyrano.mac » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:46 pm

Tomorrow, October 28, the certificates on all Apple system installers expire.

New installers have since been posted on Apple's update servers. The ones on your USB stick, or harddisk will however cease to work.

Apple uses a content distribution network, so it might take 24 hours or so before alle the CDN's servers are up-to-date.

In case of a need to use a saved installer, you could try switching off auto time updates and setting back the date a month. It could end up with a problem however, if doing funky stuff like installing a Mac over Target mode.

Let's just say this weekend isn't ideal to upgrade your MacOS...
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby ConcertinaChap » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:48 pm

Well there's timing for you :)

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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby rACed2 » Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:22 am

Just a note that MOTU MIDI devices are now (apparently) supported in Catalina.
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby Ylan Sthlm » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:12 pm

I see that Logic Pro X and all my plugins now are compatible with Catalina.

Has anyone upgraded? Should I take the plunge?

Am a hobbyist, and have no project dependencies holding me back.

The only question is, does it work?

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Logic Pro X on an iMac 27", 2017 with Focusrite Clarett 4Pre.

And some plugins, that they say work.
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby desmond » Wed Nov 13, 2019 10:32 pm

Ylan Sthlm wrote:Has anyone upgraded? Should I take the plunge?
Am a hobbyist, and have no project dependencies holding me back.

Which features are compelling you to upgrade?

If there aren't any, I'd just simply wait for a while (6 months - 1 year).

If there are, then make an image of your system, or install to a different drive, and see how it works for you, if you really feel you must be on the latest, just released, and rather rushed, release of OSX.

Everyone has to make that call for themselves, really, but the key is to be informed, be prepared, and be able to go back easily, should things not work out.
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Nov 19, 2019 10:51 am

For info, I've just received a press release from Eventide which proclaims that "All Eventide Plugins are now compatible with macOS 10.15 Catalina"

The new installers are here:

https://www.eventideaudio.com/support/downloads?mc_cid=3b4b9ff3a8&mc_eid=1f9e3b5e9e

Carry on... :ugeek:
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby redlester » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:00 am

I have no intention of moving from Mojave to Catalina in the forseeable, but am seeing posts in the thread about the 16" MBP referencing Catalina needing to be "fixed" for audio use.

Is there some sort of problem with it, over and above any issues of 3rd party manufacturer compatibility?
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby S2 » Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:05 pm

Ylan Sthlm wrote:I see that Logic Pro X and all my plugins now are compatible with Catalina.

Has anyone upgraded? Should I take the plunge?

Am a hobbyist, and have no project dependencies holding me back.

The only question is, does it work?

Humbly Ylan

Logic Pro X on an iMac 27", 2017 with Focusrite Clarett 4Pre.

And some plugins, that they say work.

Hi. Like you I'm also a hobbyist, running Logic Pro X on a Late 2013 iMac. I have recently upgraded to Catalina.

I should point out that I did no research into this upgrade whatsoever. I've been on Mavericks since the start, however it got a bit slow in recent months and I foolishly thought maybe a new OS would solve it! So I pressed the upgrade button and away we went. I didn't back up with Time Machine, so as far as I can see it's an irreversible decision for me. I had no idea that Catalina wouldn't run 32 bit stuff and that my Microsoft Office would no longer work, along with various other bits of software that are now useless.

However Logic has suffered no ill effects whatsoever and runs perfectly, with my Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 also working fine. I run a simple setup, mainly acoustic recording using the basic Logic setup, so little in the way of plug ins.

The iMac does run a little better since the upgrade and Logic is one of the few things to have come through unscathed. But in hindsight, if I'd known that I'd lose things like Office (ok it was the HUP version at a tenner, but still expensive to replace now) and loads of other stuff, then I would have stayed with Mavericks.

I also wish I'd read about backing up with Time Machine so I could reverse it too! All my fault entirely.

Still, I'm stuck with it now . I'm in the process of getting a PC which I'll put Office on and then just use the Mac for Logic and nothing else. I prefer Logic to any of the others by miles, so I definitely want to stay with it.

The moral of the story is: research it properly, have a way out if necessary and don't do what I did!
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:54 pm

S2 wrote:But in hindsight, if I'd known that I'd lose things like Office (ok it was the HUP version at a tenner, but still expensive to replace now) and loads of other stuff, then I would have stayed with Mavericks.

When I got my iMac Pro running under HS I found I couldn't install Office 2011 (ancient but did everything I wanted). So I installed LibreOffice. Very happy with it, actually. It's like if Office had never had the ribbon stuck on it but had still been developed further. That's good because I never liked the ribbon interface. File compatibilty with Office is excellent since my wife is still on that.

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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby BigRedX » Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:07 pm

ConcertinaChap wrote:When I got my iMac Pro running under HS I found I couldn't install Office 2011 (ancient but did everything I wanted). So I installed LibreOffice. Very happy with it, actually. It's like if Office had never had the ribbon stuck on it but had still been developed further. That's good because I never liked the ribbon interface. File compatibilty with Office is excellent since my wife is still on that.

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Office compatibility is a very hit or miss thing IME and completely dependant upon how far you and the person you are sharing documents with has pushed that capabilities of the programme. If you are both using it pretty much as a digital typewriter then there almost definitely won't be any problems, but the more esoteric features you use the more likely you are to come across incompatibilities.

Unfortunately I have discovered that there is no such thing as 100% Office compatibility unless you are both using the same version of Office (or both have the same version of one of it's clones) and are running it under the same version of the OS.
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby MadManDan » Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:17 pm

So I'm on high Sierra. Guess I'll stay there. No need for mojave. When the general consensus here feels Catalina has settled, and I can find all the drivers, I'll upgrade
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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby ConcertinaChap » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:27 pm

Personally speaking I always feel comfortable one or two versions back. So now I'm on Mojave I'll probably stay there until it's out of support, at which point I'll go to the OS one version beyond Catalina.

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Re: Thinking about upgrading to Mac OSX Catalina? Some notes...

Postby IAA » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:42 pm

I’m staying on Mojave too with Logic 10.4.4. The logic/OSX infrastructure is a bit creaky if you’re doing large projects IME!
Breath being held for a major 10.5 release that works perfectly and has been effectively QA. :smirk:
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