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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:07 pm

I have had a two pin PSU on one device from Thomann, they were happy to supply the correct UK PSU when I pointed this out, But I've bough many bits of kit from them over the years and all the others have come with either the correct UK PSU, or a universal one with 'proper' click on adapters.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Wonks » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:08 pm

Note that the Clarity M requires AES3 digital inputs, so isn't suitable for a lot of systems without some form of extra conversion device.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Wonks » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:11 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:, But I've bough many bits of kit from them over the years and all the others have come with either the correct UK PSU, or a universal one with 'proper' click on adapters.
My CMC2 didn't. 2-pin and a clip-on adapter that physically would never clip-on. Luckily Drawmer sorted me out. They also said that Thomann didn't stock the correct UK adapter fitting.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:15 pm

Mine was a Radial Tone Bone preamp, sent with a two pin PSU and adapter but Thomann sent me a UK spec PSU very quickly. Everything else has been fine so a fail rate of around 10% so far (and that was sorted in a couple of days). Never had a problem with Thomann customer support after buying a fair but of kit from them.

Even returning stuff 'cos I didn't get on with it has been easy, they even covered the return carriage last time.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:22 pm

Wonks wrote:Note that the Clarity M requires AES3 digital inputs, so isn't suitable for a lot of systems without some form of extra conversion device.

It is a digital-input device -- It has no analogue inputs at all -- but it will happily accept coaxial or optical S/PDIF as well as AES3, so you can run it from a spare S/PDIF output on the interface if you have one...

It might seem a bit odd, being a multichannel meter, that it won't accept an ADAT optical input, but it was designed for the professional broadast market where ADAT isn't used at all. That's also why it expects AES3id inputs (75ohm unbalanced) rather than standard AES3 (110ohm balanced) -- and why it is very happy to accept S/PDIF (75ohm unbalanced).
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby The Elf » Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:27 pm

Wonks wrote:
The Elf wrote:As shown on the Thomann page, that thing will likely be supplied with a Euro plug PSU. And for this reason I will never again buy anything from Thomann that comes with a PSU. UK options are available! ;)
https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/TC-Electronic-Clarity-M/art-REC0012891-000;pgid=F8zge1C6nWZSRp6f0TQwIxBn0000nvGacd-0

Except that DV247 is German (Music Store), and it will be shipped from Germany. So no guarantee you'll get a UK PSU. Euro PSU and adapter still very likely.

£269 at GAK.
Fair enough. I hadn't realised that. Well worth seeking a UK supplier, though.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Luke W » Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:04 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Wonks wrote:Note that the Clarity M requires AES3 digital inputs, so isn't suitable for a lot of systems without some form of extra conversion device.

It is a digital-input device -- It has no analogue inputs at all -- but it will happily accept coaxial or optical S/PDIF as well as AES3, so you can run it from a spare S/PDIF output on the interface if you have one...

There's also a USB connection that receives audio via a plug-in if I remember correctly? Not sure how useful that is for this particular situation but it's quite handy if you're lacking a spare digital output.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby N i g e l » Sun Jan 26, 2020 1:37 pm

The Elf wrote:
Wonks wrote:
The Elf wrote:As shown on the Thomann page, that thing will likely be supplied with a Euro plug PSU. And for this reason I will never again buy anything from Thomann that comes with a PSU. UK options are available!

Except that DV247 is German (Music Store), and it will be shipped from Germany. So no guarantee you'll get a UK PSU. Euro PSU and adapter still very likely.
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yep, I bought some stuff from DV247, same price as Thomann so might as well buy local.
Anyway it shipped from Germany, not a problem but it did have a Euro wall wart.
I tend to stick with Thomann now and have stopped looking at the PSU. They normally provide an adaptor but Im not adverse to buying a £5 UK psu from CPC or similar.

The PSU on my last purchase had a figure of 8 mains lead - very cheap to replace but Thomann included a UK figure 8 lead anyway !

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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby The Elf » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:10 pm

As I understand it UK suppliers are legally bound to provide a UK plug to UK buyers - an adapter is not acceptable. It's a very unfair world where non-UK companies can supply new gear directly to the UK, yet seemingly can choose to ignore this.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Folderol » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:46 pm

it will never happen of course, but the way to stop this is for large numbers of people to return the goods as 'not fit for purpose - not compliant with UK regulations'.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby The Elf » Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:56 pm

Well I can confirm I’ve done just that not long ago. I agree - another of these things that if we let it go it will become the norm.


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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Peevy » Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:48 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Wonks wrote:Note that the Clarity M requires AES3 digital inputs, so isn't suitable for a lot of systems without some form of extra conversion device.It is a digital-input device -- It has no analogue inputs at all -- but it will happily accept coaxial or optical S/PDIF as well as AES3, so you can run it from a spare S/PDIF output on the interface if you have one...

Would something cheap and cheerful like this work for converting an analogue audio source out into the digital inputs on the Clarity M Stereo.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Converter-Digi ... s9dHJ1ZQ==

I was wondering if it could be a useful addition to my Zoom F8 for on location recording. Take the outs from the Zoom into the Clarity M Stereo. Not so much for levels but for the vector scope and correlation meter capability?
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:44 pm

Sure... But you'll need to know -- and ideally adjust -- the analogue-digital alignment level to be able to configure the meter for accurate level and loudness displays.
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Peevy » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:18 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Sure... But you'll need to know -- and ideally adjust -- the analogue-digital alignment level to be able to configure the meter for accurate level and loudness displays.

Thanks Hugh

Could be a neat little setup to help with seeing what’s going on while recording on the F8. I think I’d be able to work out how to get the alignment right after a bit of head scratching.

And the Clarity M Stereo would be a nice bit of useful desktop bling the rest of the time! :D
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Re: Anyone use an external vu or led meter?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:48 pm

Peevy wrote:Could be a neat little setup to help with seeing what’s going on while recording on the F8.

I find a vectorscope very useful when recording. I use a little (obsolete) dk technology meter with my nagra vi, so I can see your thinking.
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