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MIDI IN Korg Microkorg (original)

Postby charic » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:29 pm

Try as hard as I can, I can't find a solution as to what I'm doing wrong here, so I'm stuck? :headbang:
Q: I don't hear any audio from the Microkorg when I midi-in from another (any) keyboard?

My expectation is that when I connect a Midi cable from any compatible keyboard/controller, I should be able to hear the sound either from the Microkorg's headphone out or Phono out.

This is my test setup just now........
(Arturia) KEYSTEP <midi-out ~ midi-in> MICROKORG ........then, MICROKORG < midi-out ~ midi-in > Volca FM, and finally the MICROKORG < midi thru ~ midi-in (Novation) MINI-NOVA.
So now if I play the Keystep, I hear the Novation, If I play the Microkorg I hear the Microkorg+VolcaFM, but why can't I hear the Microkorg from the Keystep
Surely if the THRU midi is working which replicates the midi in, then there should be nothing wrong with the midi-in port itself, and I should hear something. Keystep and Microkorg are both Midi channel 1, the Novation on channel 16, but any keyboard on channel 1, still no sound from Microkorg........Stumped!
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Micrkorg (original)

Postby BillB » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:41 pm

Charic - it does sound a lot like a channel mis-match, given that a MIDI signal is going THRU the MicroKorg.

How about reconnect your gear just to check what is happening. Connect the MiniNova out to MicroKorg in.

Try setting the MN to output channels 1-16 in order - see if any of them gets a response from the MK.

One other thought - try different sound settings on the MK - especially try short attack ones, in case the Beatstep is sending short notes and the MK is not responding fast enough.

I am also just wondering if there are any funky MIDI routeing options in the MK - like 'local off' but not...

Actually, given that you have other keyboards, it should not be hard to figure out whether the problem is with the Beatstep or the MK.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Micrkorg (original)

Postby BillB » Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:59 pm

BillB wrote:I am also just wondering if there are any funky MIDI routeing options in the MK - like 'local off' but not...

Can't see anything in the manual. 'Local off' would not prevent external MIDI from sounding, in fact it is intended for when a DAW is generating a MIDI input to the MK, to stop notes sounding twice, once from the Keyboard then once through the DAW.

So recheck your MK/BS channels, plug in your controller keyboards and see if they behave the same way as the Beatstep. It is almost certainly a channel thing.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Micrkorg (original)

Postby charic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:18 am

....Actually, given that you have other keyboards, it should not be hard to figure out whether the problem is with the Beatstep or the MK.[/quote]

Thanks for the reply, I'm sure the Microkorg is at fault, but how/why, given that my THRU is working, just baffles me!
Last night again, I ran a midi-out from the Juno-D, the Novation too, and in both cases, no sound from the Microkorg.

Yet if I Midi-out from the Microkorg to either Juno-D or Novation, both devices can be heard MK+ External or just the external device is heard with MK setting 'Local Off.

Today I went through all 16 channels from MK <midi-out to Novation >midi-in and all ok, but switch the cable over ( Novation OUT, Microkorg IN, and nothing from the MK whilst triggering/playing the Novation.

As long as send & receive are both set to the same midi channel, then I can't see what else is going on? I have already tried different voicing's on the MicroKorg, and I have previously tried all 16 midi channels using the Arturia Keystep,.

The Arturia Keystep has a better sized keyboard for my fingers over the two mini keyboards, hence the need to get this sorted. I should have taken the MK down to Glasgow on my last trip, see if the specialists can plug in one of their devices and prove me wrong, but I'm sure its the Korg itself.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Micrkorg (original)

Postby Arpangel » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:28 am

In the manual it says you use the Select knob to set pre TG when using an external device,
worth checking this.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Micrkorg (original)

Postby BillB » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:49 am

Arpangel wrote:In the manual it says you use the Select knob to set pre TG when using an external device, worth checking this.

Just found that on p47 and can’t see how it would make a difference, but worth trying just the same.

Charic, you might want to consider a factory reset (p63) but make sure you save any of your own sounds first.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Micrkorg (original)

Postby charic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:50 pm

Sorry BillB, I did reply much earlier this morning, not sure where the text went?

I tried the Juno-D yesterday evening again, and midi only works one way, nothing from the Korg.

Today I went both ways, Korg Out ~ Novation In. All is well, I can hear both instruments or just the Novation alone if the Korg is set to 'Local Off'.

Novation Out ~ Korg In, no joy, I tried every channel 1-16, still no joy,

I should have taken the MicroKorg to Guitarguitar Digital, Glasgow on my last trip. Wouldn't take long to find if this is 'my' fault, or the fault is really within the MicroKorg itself.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Micrkorg (original)

Postby charic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:50 pm

Presets re-checked, factory reset completed, still no joy.

I have read that manual so many times, over and over, and viewed as many midi connection videos on the tube, but still willing to try and double check settings, just in-case!

Also to note, when the Microkorg is played, I do hear sounds from both the headphone OUT and the LEFT audio out. I just don't hear anything from the Microkorg when I play from an external device.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Micrkorg (original)

Postby BillB » Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:51 pm

charic wrote:Novation Out ~ Korg In, no joy, I tried every channel 1-16, still no joy,

So to summarise, no MIDI data, from any devices on any channels, is being heard on the MK?
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Microkorg (original)

Postby charic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:11 pm

Thanks for your patience.

I'm sure there's midi data going IN, as the THRU connection allows me to play The Novation or one of the many Volcas from my Keystep

What I don't have/hear is any Sound from the MicroKorg when played externally.

I know sound doesn't travel over midi, but If I midi-out the Microkorg to another midi-in, I can hear the sound from that device. Just doesn't work the other way round.

I can't understand why I can't hear any sound from the Microkorg, surely its just a tone generator, and if its setup correctly, midi-in from an external midi-out and the devices are set to transmit/receive on the same channel, I should hear something.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Microkorg (original)

Postby charic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:02 pm

Sorry BillB (twice today message not showing?)

I think midi is getting in, due to the fact, THRU port is sending midi to whatever is connected, and it works ( sound from external device is ok ).

When I MIDI-IN to the Korg, If I play the microkorg's keys, I hear sound (LOCAL ON) I can also midi-out and play an external device, so the OUT is working, as is the THRU.

There is JUST no sound generated from the Microkorg if/when I play from an external midi controller.

Thank you for your patience.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Microkorg (original)

Postby charic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:04 pm

.....and now the missing text appears from 10:11 pm ?
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Microkorg (original)

Postby charic » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:33 pm

Ive also swapped over Midi cables.
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Re: MIDI IN Korg Microkorg (original)

Postby Arpangel » Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:51 pm

This is strange, I’m looking forward to the explanation!

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Re: MIDI IN Korg Microkorg (original)

Postby BillB » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:21 pm

Arpangel wrote:This is strange, I’m looking forward to the explanation!
:think:

So's Charic!

It has got me stumped. Wish I had a mini mighty MicroKorg here and we could meet on Zoom and compare settings.
But I don't :headbang:

If I had the same problem I would probably run the MK MIDI Thru into a MIDI monitor (e.g. MIDI-OX on PC, MIDI Wrench/ MIDI Scope on the iPad to look at the MIDI data and check its actual channel.

I'm pretty sure it is down to settings on the MK, but Charic has done a factory reset, tried a variety of Ins and Outs and been over the manual - as have I. So I don't know what to suggest.
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