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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby Elephone » Tue Dec 17, 2019 10:19 pm

Wonks wrote:Changing the polarity of a Strat pickup will give some extra tones, bit they are very thin and pretty unusable in the real world IMO.

Sounds and style... depends what you're looking for... on a Tele for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKN4vWytGlI
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby Wonks » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:15 pm

But a Tele's not a Strat, so don't think they are equivalent just because that are both Fender guitars. Different pickups, different pickup spacing, very different sounds.

I quite liked the reversed polarity sound on my Emicaster after I changed the pickups and before I corrected it, but the normal mixed position sound is just so more useful.
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby Elephone » Wed Dec 18, 2019 3:48 am

Well, the Telecaster can mix bridge and neck. That not being available on the Strat is something I would add anyway, so I presume the presume the phase reverse would have a similar type of effect...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8beZHy7lpw

I like the idea of changing capacitors & resisters to alter the tone. This guy has created a custom dial to switch between different capacitors on his bass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ujHtoHMg8

Tone Capacitors Explained with Lindy Fralin...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t_eqST1pWQ

I know he has wired this box from inside his guitar, but can this sort of thing work outside the guitar circuit, after the output if the tone pot is left open. I mean, it's still an electrical signal...?

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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby Elephone » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:39 pm

Sorry, I was just making a point. A lot of mods to wah-wah pedals are also available, but I'm not sure why they don't offer multiple cap switches in these things anyway, even just simple screwdriver turning ones inside. Cheers!
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby Wonks » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:53 pm

Some wahs offer a number of different sounds. I bought an EH Queen Triggered Wah when they first came out, and that had three settings. But I didn't like any of them. It would be worth a lot of money now if I'd kept it. My cry baby mini has three voice settings, but I haven't moved it off the standard position.

I also have a Wahoo wah/filter pedal, which is ridiculously variable through software, though the circuitry is all analogue (but digitally controlled). Just too OTT.
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:29 am

Not necessarily fender, but could be a very flexible Hot rod Strat ...
My now favourite pickup combo (as fitted to three of my S series Ibanez)
Neck. = Reverse orientated Bridge version Seymour duncan P-rails , fitted with 3 way switch to give P90/humbucker/single rail
Middle , currently Dimarzio True Velvet,. but might change to something else. not utterly convinced, but it's nice enough
Bridge = Quad Rail Humbucker.... I used to use a rotary switch to give me single coil, single stack, two series stacks in parallel, or all 4 coils in series . but these days I'm just using a push-push volume pot to give me two series stacks in parallel, or two series stacks in series...

fairly discrete , just a 3 way micro toggle, and a push-push volume , plus the std 5 way switch, (with coil cut earth links on the B-side)

it's about as flexible as it gets..... not a single pointless tone.... but loads of useable variation.
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby zenguitar » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:39 am

And you have made my main point perfectly SSG. What matters most is having different and useful sounds to hand with the minimum of switch combinations to remember.

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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby DanStack16 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:42 pm

Hey everyone

So I have an HSS mexi strat, and like many of you I’m bored out of my mind. So, I was thinking about modding it. Currently, I have my volume pot as a push-pull to coil split the humbucker, so what I wanted to try and do was add a new mini 3-way toggle which in the middle position kept the humbucker and in the other two positions split to each respective coil of the humbucker (so that I could use either coil). I then wanted to wire the push-pull pot as a “gilmour switch” type thing to turn on the neck pickup and get a telecaster sound as well as all three pickups. With this combination of wiring I should be able to have hum cancelling in all positions but the neck and middle pickups by themselves. Would anyone be able to create a wiring diagram for this? I can put it together but I haven’t the slightest clue how to plan the wiring.
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby zenguitar » Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:21 pm

The more switches you add, the more complicate it is to use and as well as the sounds you want you get additional sounds you might not want, or are very similar to the others.

So sometimes it's worth putting a little extra thought into which are the principle pick-up combinations you want. It might be possible to get most or all using your existing push/pull switch and a 4-pole 5-way switch.

For example, assuming that the middle pick-up is RWRP, you could get this...

Pos1 Bridge humbucker
Pos2 Middle pick-up and the coil from the bridge pick-up that is RWRP to the middle.
Pos3 Middle single coil
Pos4 Neck pick-up and the other coil from the bridge pick-up
Pos5 Neck only

Then use the push/pull switch to add the neck pick-up to any other selection. And that will also restore the neck & middle selection lost from the standard 5-way wiring.

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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby Wonks » Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:56 pm

One coil of a humbucker is RWRP with respect to the other one, so if you have the ability to select either of the humbucker coils to be the split coil, you'll find that there will be one humbucking bridge single + neck combination, and one non-humbucking. Likewise with the two possible bridge single + mid positions.

So it won't be quite as hum free as you first thought.
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby DanStack16 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:16 pm

Thanks Andy, though the main issue with that is I already use each of the standard 5-way positions pretty frequently. I do know that it’ll get more complicated with the more I add, however I want that. I’m essentially trying to make a do-it-all strat for either session stuff or a universal gig guitar. Basically I want to cram in all the bells and whistles so can. For example I want to try and at some point convert this strat to HSH using either a new pick guard or one of the many Seymour Duncan single size humbucker which I would also be able to split. But at the end of the day, wiring hacks are pretty cheap so I’m starting there.
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby DanStack16 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:23 pm

To Wonks- I should’ve been a bit more specific. What I meant is that I will be able to have every combination of positions in a way that is hum cancelling, as you said, barring the individual single coils. I more meant that I’d be able to have all 3 pickups him cancelling, or a hum cancelling combo of the neck and bridge, though there are ways that they would also not be cancelling. Ultimately, though, you are correct in how you are understanding what I want to do. I just don’t know how I’d wire it up to make that happen :D
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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby zenguitar » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:33 pm

Don't worry, the 'do it all' Strat has been a target for decades now. Lots of people try similar things, but most drift back to standard wiring or a limited wiring tweak eventually. That's how we learn.

However, as you say, we all have a lot of time on our hands right now. So I'll put some thought into your 3 way toggle switch over the next couple of days. A simple coil tap is trivially simple, but what you want would take some thinking through. Might be possible, but could require a less common switch.

So, no promises, but lets see what we can come up with.

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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby DanStack16 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:36 pm

Much thanks Andy! I had figured that, ideally, I could use a three way mini toggle like the ones often on some of the swankier stomp boxes. That way, it should be easy enough to use in that I could flip the switch towards the neck for the neck-side coil of the humbucker, middle for regular HB, and towards the bride for the bridge-side cool. Essentially it would create a mini version of Tele wiring using just the HB coils and a mini switch. Unless I’m misunderstand how a coil split functions with a regular 2 way switch or a push-pull put, I figure something of the sort should be possible and all I would need to order would be the switch.

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Re: Fender Guitar Mods

Postby zenguitar » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:35 pm

Not quite that simple Dan. One coil one side, the other coil the other side is easy. The problem is combining them in the middle. A humbucker has the coils in series, the easy way to combine them in the middle position would wire them in parallel which would change the sound of your pick-up.

Hence the requirement for some thought.

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