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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby The Elf » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:24 am

Yes, I *do* know about the stuff they have created. It's the stuff they've teased that's becoming wearisome!
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Arpangel » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:41 am

Another thing, do you think people will become tired of clones? and the market will collapse after all of the worthwhile ones have been made. Or tastes and fashions may change, and a new wave of stuff will again sweep all this aside, like the DX7 did in the 80’s.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby The Elf » Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:37 am

When the inaccessible becomes accessible it will lose its appeal. That's the nature of humans. There will still exist those who will say that only the originals sound like the originals, so they will retain some allure. A Stradivarius remains a Stradivarius, after all.

But the world will move on.

Of course there will come a time when the clones themselves have become objects of desire, but that's for another generation to sort out...
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby The Elf » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:34 pm

In the meantime my 97 quid TD-3 has arrived...
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby DGL. » Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:21 pm

Looks like the 2500 is more advanced than we thought :o
10 Eurorack modules so switch matrix though, just standard 3.5mm jacks.

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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby BJG145 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:05 pm

DGL. wrote:Image

...right, so this is evidently another product from their acquisition of AMSynths following the 2600. It looks as though AMSynths' Rob Keeble developed these modules some time ago; not sure whether they sold them or if it was just a hobby project.

https://amsynths.co.uk/home/my-synths/2 ... sequencer/

The AM1050 I obtained a full set of paper blueprints and schematics in 2006, and transcribed the circuit into Eagle CAD. The ARP circuit requires a PCB board of 180 x 180 mm, and is too large for my 5U system. I wanted to modernise some of the circuit, by using modern analog switch chips (like the SSM2402 and DG442), which also saves space.

Sounds like there's a mystery third one waiting in the wings. I'd be surprised if they didn't do a Jupiter.

https://amsynths.co.uk/home/jp04-modular-synthesizer/
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Martin Walker » Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:38 pm

BJG145 wrote:
DGL. wrote:Image

...right, so this is evidently another product from their acquisition of AMSynths following the 2600. It looks as though AMSynths' Rob Keeble developed these modules some time ago; not sure whether they sold them or if it was just a hobby project.

https://amsynths.co.uk/home/my-synths/2 ... sequencer/

Well spotted BJG145! :clap:

The artistic design didn't remind me of Behringer of all, so your find made a lot of sense.


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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby N i g e l » Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:36 pm

The Elf wrote:Yes, I *do* know about the stuff they have created. It's the stuff they've teased that's becoming wearisome!

The PPG wave clone seems to be taking a while. I presume its not just a circuit copy, they will have to write the program software themselves
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby BigRedX » Wed Jul 22, 2020 2:55 pm

N i g e l wrote:The PPG wave clone seems to be taking a while. I presume its not just a circuit copy, they will have to write the program software themselves

I hope they make it more reliable than the original.

Every band I saw use one live back in the 80s had to reboot it several times during the course of a gig.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Folderol » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:24 pm

N i g e l wrote:
The Elf wrote:Yes, I *do* know about the stuff they have created. It's the stuff they've teased that's becoming wearisome!

The PPG wave clone seems to be taking a while. I presume its not just a circuit copy, they will have to write the program software themselves
Behringer seem to take cloning very seriously - not just a hack any old thing together. Even a circuit copy is unlikely to be simple. Parts become obsolete. Even replacement resistors and capacitors can have odd quirks. Originally, they may have been chosen in things like filters so that their temperature coefficients go in opposite directions so tend to cancel. Then there is the layout to consider - easy on a single layer PCB, OK, on a two layer board, nightmare on multilayer one. Even the board material can have an effect.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:45 pm

Their keyboard clones aren't just straight clones. They are all updated to some extent, and most have additional enhanced facilities engineered in as well.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Arpangel » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:18 am

DGL. wrote:Looks like the 2500 is more advanced than we thought :o
10 Eurorack modules so switch matrix though, just standard 3.5mm jacks.

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Definitely getting these.
My money is already in Uli's bank account, for a 2500 and an EMS.
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby N i g e l » Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:39 pm

BigRedX wrote:
N i g e l wrote:The PPG wave clone seems to be taking a while. I presume its not just a circuit copy, they will have to write the program software themselves

I hope they make it more reliable than the original.

Every band I saw use one live back in the 80s had to reboot it several times during the course of a gig.

I think the Berhinger clones have established a very different outlook on the company.
They do the required engineering with their specialist deparments & leverage the Corporation advantage of being able to drop in USB functionality.

As to the 80's, it was perfectly acceptable for the audience to wait between songs for an emulator to load up the appropriate samples from disk !! :)

but what of thg PPG Wave clone ? whats the word on the street Huggy ?????

Theres now no obvious pressure for companies to meet deadlines based on exhibition center events like Music mess or Anahiem but are Behringer more focused on internet release anyway ???
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby Rich Hanson » Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:04 am

I've been musing about the PPG and the 909 clone - as I understand it, the wavetables in the PPG are effectively sets of samples, and some of the 909 sounds are also samples. As sound recordings, they are subject to copyright, so presumably Behringer would have to come up with their own samples instead?
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Re: The All-New Behringer Keyboards 'n' Stuff Thread

Postby radian » Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:47 pm

Yes, since the lawyers have even been set on freeware plugins using 909 samples, they'd definitely be out for any company profiting from them. Behringer would have to create their own.
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