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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby Zukan » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:09 pm

The Elf wrote:
Chevytraveller wrote:
The Elf wrote:I always adored the orange livery - and with both filters on the Behringer... Best of all worlds! :bouncy:
The filters are only half the story of the 2600... sadly Behringer neglected the other half and so it doesn't sound anything like a 2600... it sounds "nice" but it's just NOT a 2600... at all
Well, I can only go on someone who has an original grey-face 2600, and now has played a Behringer 2600. He says they sound as near as two originals.

They can't, unless the ladder filter was copied and that would be an issue with Moog. What made the Grey so unique was the ladder filter. A buggy bastard though.
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby IAA » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:11 pm

Interesting. I do think that Korg have priced it slightly high, but it does offer an alternative for those who despair at Behringer's business practices. Which can't be bad.
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby The Elf » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:12 pm

Zukan wrote:
The Elf wrote:
Chevytraveller wrote:
The Elf wrote:I always adored the orange livery - and with both filters on the Behringer... Best of all worlds! :bouncy:
The filters are only half the story of the 2600... sadly Behringer neglected the other half and so it doesn't sound anything like a 2600... it sounds "nice" but it's just NOT a 2600... at all
Well, I can only go on someone who has an original grey-face 2600, and now has played a Behringer 2600. He says they sound as near as two originals.
They can't, unless the ladder filter was copied and that would be an issue with Moog. What made the Grey so unique was the ladder filter. A buggy bastard though.
Behringer have switchably added both filter variants to their 2600 - the Moog-infringed (cased in resin!) ladder 4012 and the later ARP 4072 design.
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby DGL. » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:25 pm

The B2600 is supposedly based on the Blue Meanie, i.e. the original 2600, Rob wanted to make a 2600 that ARP couldn't continue making at the time because the parts were too unreliable, something that is no longer an issue.
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby Zukan » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:26 pm

The Elf wrote:
Zukan wrote:
The Elf wrote:
Chevytraveller wrote:
The Elf wrote:I always adored the orange livery - and with both filters on the Behringer... Best of all worlds! :bouncy:
The filters are only half the story of the 2600... sadly Behringer neglected the other half and so it doesn't sound anything like a 2600... it sounds "nice" but it's just NOT a 2600... at all
Well, I can only go on someone who has an original grey-face 2600, and now has played a Behringer 2600. He says they sound as near as two originals.
They can't, unless the ladder filter was copied and that would be an issue with Moog. What made the Grey so unique was the ladder filter. A buggy bastard though.
Behringer have switchably added both filter variants to their 2600 - the Moog-infringed (cased in resin!) ladder 4012 and the later ARP 4072 design.

Wow! Have you attacked it yet?
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby The Elf » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:33 pm

Zukan wrote:Wow! Have you attacked it yet?
Not me, yet. But I have one on order. :thumbup:
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby baward » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:59 pm

I saw someone on the internet who, talking about the Beh Monopoly, said it’s close enough, which I have to agree with, especially seeing as the originals of these instruments varied from example to example and from batch to batch and from year to year etc ad infinitum.

Me, I would love to see a Karp Sequencer, preferably full size please Mr.Korg. Or it’s Antonus for me.
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby Arpangel » Mon Jan 18, 2021 3:52 pm

Just found this interesting article about the 2600 Studio Sound 1972.

https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-Studio-Sound/70s/Studio-Sound-1972-01.pdf
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:11 pm

Back in the days when recording engineers really did have engineering aptitudes and knowledge, as a quick scan through the pages of a 1972 edition of Studio Sound reveals! :ugeek: :D
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby The Korff » Mon Jan 18, 2021 9:47 pm

The Quad advert on p4 is outstanding! :bouncy:
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:06 pm

The Korff wrote:The Quad advert on p4 is outstanding! :bouncy:

It is! Fascinating to see how many companies have been lost in the last 50 years, but also the few that have survived.
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby Chevytraveller » Mon Jan 18, 2021 10:26 pm

The Elf wrote:
Chevytraveller wrote:
The Elf wrote:I always adored the orange livery - and with both filters on the Behringer... Best of all worlds! :bouncy:
The filters are only half the story of the 2600... sadly Behringer neglected the other half and so it doesn't sound anything like a 2600... it sounds "nice" but it's just NOT a 2600... at all
Well, I can only go on someone who has an original grey-face 2600, and now has played a Behringer 2600. He says they sound as near as two originals.


I guess it depends on what you want it to do... for me, the most distinctive thing about the 2600(I had an ex Genesis Grey face one back in the 90's) is the "Thwappyness(tm)" of the envelopes..
I haven't heard that character from what I've heard and that, for me is the primary reason for wanting a 2600 again..

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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby The Elf » Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:27 pm

When I can hear it for myself I'll let you know. From what little I can tell it sounds like a 2600 to me (that's not saying much from a few YouTube videos, admittedly), and it certainly sounds like a 2600 according to my contact who now owns both it and an original.

We used to have a grey 2600 in the studio back in the 80s. I didn't use it much, but it was fun to fool around with from time to time. TBH I never really 'got it', and was more content to use my MiniMoog or Pro-One for most monosynth jobs. Things finally clicked when I got an Odyssey, so the 'ARP way' now makes more sense!

I see no reason why this copy shouldn't exhibit the same characteristics as the original, but I could forgive it a lot for the price anyway. We'll see.
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby Arpangel » Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:03 am

The Korff wrote:The Quad advert on p4 is outstanding! :bouncy:

At the time I upgraded my Leak Stereo 70 to a Quad 33/303 set-up, but that advert back fired on Quad in my experience, as a lot of young people I spoke to, and people I know now, have said that they deliberately avoided Quad because of the respectable bearded pipe smoking gent in the armchair, they didn’t want to be perceived as being that type of person, a bit of a PR blunder maybe.
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Re: Karp 2600M

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:32 pm

Arpangel wrote:... that advert back fired on Quad in my experience, as a lot of young people I spoke to, and people I know now, have said that they deliberately avoided Quad because of the respectable bearded pipe smoking gent in the armchair, they didn’t want to be perceived as being that type of person, a bit of a PR blunder maybe.

Quad was expensive stuff... few young people could afford it anyway. Their market was (and largely still is) the more mature hi-fi nutter.
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