SOUND ON SOUND

[Wintersun Project]

Bitter is reading a FULL 24 bit on recapture, no loss of bits, and the audio sounds pristine
im going to have to use something much more surgical to make sure though.

[Wintersun Project]

oops

[Wintersun Project]

MusicScope confirms im getting the dynamic range of 24 bit and there are no unused bits at 24 bit, no blue bits showing at all on the analysis.
so basically im getting 24 bit data out of those TDIF-II cards.
Back through lightpipe and back into my UAD Apollo, super clean no noise.
However, using the yamaha lightpipes is a totally different kettle of fish
they will not do 24 bit without the split and reassemble trick yamaha use.
Ive also bounced a 20bit audio file through as 24 bit and it shows 4 blue unused bits on the play through, so i dont know what the crack is here, all i can say is, if you used the TDIF 2 cards and flick the 24 bit dip switches on im getting fully usable 24 bit I/o with a full channel count, none of this half the channels garbage ! Certainly no noise, i cant find any noise on the capture at all, even fully cranked on the focals !

One things for sure, it sounds great so im going to just get on with using it from here without worrying one way or the other, like Hugh pretty much said, its more than good enough to do the necessary whatever the weather :)

[Hugh Robjohns]

...all i can say is, if you used the TDIF 2 cards and flick the 24 bit dip switches on im getting fully usable 24 bit I/o with a full channel count...

Well, that's a good result, and it makes sense, and 20 bits via ADAT is perfectly workable and really won't be inferior to most 24-bit converters' performance anyway!

H

[VTypeV4]

One things for sure, it sounds great so im going to just get on with using it from here without worrying one way or the other, like Hugh pretty much said, its more than good enough to do the necessary whatever the weather :)

This, exactly this. I couldn't agree more. It's great to see there's at least one other person happy with the results from their 02R. :thumbup:

[manfromplanet]

I never looked at it this way : "Conventional 32-bit floating point desks have to pass 24 bit audio mantissas between signal processing stages, whereas a fixed point desk can maintain longer word-lengths throughout the signal processing chain... so there is less need for interstage rounding/dithering and that may well retain low-level detail that is lost in floating point systems" Interesting thought as I have read and thought I understood the details between floating and fixed point... but that statement makes more sense that anything else I have read about it. Any way, I came back here to see if this conversation was still on.
I am glad to see that there is some love for the 02r out there... if you look at some other forums you hear the term "boat anchor" and "door stop" used quite a bit.
I will just say that the 02r's capabilities are better than anything I have to give it... and leave it at that. and I wanted to try this emoticon:
:beamup:

MPX

[VTypeV4]

I too am pleased there's both a current-day discussion and some love for them. :bouncy:

Whilst they'll never hit the legendary status of something like a Fender Strat or Vox AC30, I do feel they deserve their own place in both history. Maybe I'm biased a little because of my personal involvement with these things over the last 5 years or so but I still feel they're capable and relevant.

Xs 02r 19 by VTypeV4, on Flickr

Two of the three I own in operation at work this weekend - March 2019.

[rexomatic]

Hi All

I have the 02r with ADAT etc, love it

Also has the unity card but I need a license to recall alot of the stuff there - I can use a few of the finalizers but not much else

Manufacturer drew a blank with generating a license - does anyone know where I can get a license please?

Best

R

[VTypeV4]

I don't think TC do them anymore which is a frustration..

It was suggested (I can't recall where) that you can reset the memory on Unity cards by taking the battery out briefly. This apparently will give you both licenses for 100 hours of service - when it runs out just reset and go again.. It's a bit inconvenient to pull it apart - maybe you could leave the battery out although saving things might be a nightmare?

It's a pain TC don't really support them anymore but because they still sound so good, it's hard to remember they're 20 years old. IMO they sound at least as well if not better than my M1 unit..

Hope you have some success and sorry I can't be much help but the above might give you a solution for the short term. :thumbup:

[Mike Stranks]

Gentlemen: As someone who spends most of his time at the shallow-end of the forum helping newcomers become more-proficient swimmers, can I say what a pleasure it's been to venture up to the deep-end and read your learned and civilised discourse. :)

Thanks! :thumbup:

[VTypeV4]

Thanks, Mike. :clap: :SOS:

[Bme]

Hello folks,

I've a couple TC unity cards for my 02R console.
Unfortunately I lost the license codes.
I tried TC electronic but they destroyed their codegenerator and their archive.
Now I'm reengineering; based on the serial number I try to find out the license code.
But I need some valid licence codes (M2000 and/or Finalizer) with the according serial numbers.
Who can help me with this information.
If I found out I can probably help others who also lost their license code or maybe want to enable the M2000 or Finalizer.
Thanks.

[VTypeV4]

I'll fish mine out in the next few days, this might be helpful if you can work it out.. :bouncy:

[Bme]

@VTypeV4: That would be great!
Thanks in advance.
But probably I need some more combinations of serial numbers and license codes.
Every help is more than welcome.

[VTypeV4]

UnitY Option License
Serial Number :6300234
Option :M2000 D.C. Set To ON
License Code :LIC5476D48A57341EEEF9C5

UnitY Option License
Serial Number :6001327
Option :M2000 D.C. Set To ON
License Code :LIC54C6D48A500FFBEEF935

UnitY Option License
Serial Number :6001327
Option :Finalizer D.C. Set To ON
License Code :LIC54C6D58A500FFBEEF936

BME, let me know how you get on.. Cheers, Matt

[Bme]

@ VtypeV4

Thanks!!
I'm quite sure about the missing Finalizer lic code:

UnitY Option License
Serial Number :6300234
Option :Finalizer D.C. Set To ON
License Code :LIC5476D58A57341EEEF9C6

Please try this code and give me feedback if it is accepted in your machine.
I'm still working on the algorithm. Quite a puzzle

By the way: are you sure about the serial number of this card.
Is this number written on the card?
This is the first time I see the serial number starting with 63...

And can you give me the details of the interfaces of your cards (input ADAT and so on)

To others: I can use some more license codes and serial numbers.

[VTypeV4]

This will be superb if you can work it out. :clap:

I have a different card in the other 02R so I'll get the serial from that too - I don't have the codes for it but it seems happy to operate both M2000 and Finalizer sections..

I think the serial is on the load up page - I've got it written down how to check them. And yes, I'm quite sure as I got these straight from TC themselves a few years back after giving them my serial numbers.

Both my cards have the ADAT / TDIF I/O section and have the latest (2.12?) drivers.

The 02Rs are themselves are loaded with the Unity cards in SLOT 3, a standard Yamaha ADAT card in SLOT 1 & 2 and an AES in one and a TDIF in the other installed in SLOT 4, Both run v2.16 operating chips.

[Bme]

@VtypeV4
Thanks for your answers.
I'm still working on the codes.
Is the code working which I gave?
Maybe I need the dealer codes as well. These codes can be obtained from the TC unity status screen on the 02R.

@ others: I like to have more license & serial codes. Please help me.

Another question: I have a Digital Surround Panel from Soundware SP02.
A special unit for the Yamaha 02R.
But I have no manual. There is nothing on internet. The company is not responding.
Who can help me?

[VTypeV4]

BME, I'll post a proper reply Sun / Mon but thought these may help too.. I'll get the reference codes next week too..

Tc serial by VTypeV4, on Flickr

Tc serial by VTypeV4, on Flickr

Cheers, Matt :thumbup:

[Bme]

@Matt,

Thanks.
The "ST" command gives more details about the card (dealer code and so on).

The second image gives a new serial number (without a license code I presume).