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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:04 pm

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ConcertinaChap wrote:Not on the other four continents? ;)

It is read on them all -- all seven -- but it's only physically created on two: here in the UK, and in the USA.

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SOS has to be THE BEST publication for Music and Instrument tech worldwide. I say it because I mean it. Editors are experienced people with a wealth of knowledge. Reviews are not biassed, they are structural and give you a scope of things to be aware of, articles are well thought out and assure the reader of experience and care. That's what I like about SOS. OK I'm not a paid subscriber, I should be really, but at the moment budget wise, certain things take more priority for the moment.

Keep up the good work guys.

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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby FrankF » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:12 pm

SOS has to be THE BEST publication for Music and Instrument tech worldwide. I say it because I mean it.
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Well yeah, but Audiofanzine.fr has a better website, even though they do drive on the wrong side of t'road. :angel:
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:13 pm

FrankF wrote:Well yeah, but Audiofanzine.fr has a better website, even though they do drive on the wrong side of t'road. :angel:

That website drives me mad at times lol, yes they do drive on the wrong side, they call cheese "fromige" (Richard Digance joke) but yep comes in useful lol
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby FrankF » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:35 pm

In case you missed this info from the French website: the unit's been up for sale for about a month, so I'd deffo try an offer - dps24s shift slowly, I should know!
The seller has been registered there for 3 years, which is somewhat reassuring, although that website doesn't seem to have the same buyer protection as Audiofanzine.

I sold a DPS24 to a chap in Germany about a year ago (not this chap, I think!), and the shipping was about 100€, if I recall. Shame you couldn't get it on a Ryanair flight - you'd probably save money AND get to test it!
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 4:36 pm

FrankF wrote:In case you missed this info from the French website: the unit's been up for sale for about a month, so I'd deffo try an offer - dps24s shift slowly, I should know!
The seller has been registered there for 3 years, which is somewhat reassuring, although that website doesn't seem to have the same buyer protection as Audiofanzine.

I sold a DPS24 to a chap in Germany about a year ago (not this chap, I think!), and the shipping was about 100€, if I recall. Shame you couldn't get it on a Ryanair flight - you'd probably save money AND get to test it!

well, flying isn't an option, no passport, yep, never left the UK. medical matters mean I'm not supposed to fly either, so, let's see. fingers crossed eh.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Jan 26, 2019 9:22 pm

FrankF wrote:Well yeah, but Audiofanzine.fr has a better website...

Well, yeah, I don't doubt it... Valid feedback, certainly, but you're not really comparing apples with apples are you? Different businesses; different priorities.

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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby FrankF » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:00 pm

Actually, Hugh, I am, I'm comparing 2 websites. Obviously, Audiofanzine.fr don't produce a paper magazine, I get that, (but in a sense that's irrelevant, because I imagine your website doesn't subsidise a loss-making mag) but their website is just slicker than yours, and they use targeted ads, sorry to repeat myself, but it works, and brilliantly. Gearlust is satisfied, one way or another, but faster! ;-)
If SOS moans at me cos I use an ad-blocker, then obviously, ads are a part of your business, so why not use them more intelligently?
I mean no disrespect, but if you haven't looked at their site, then what I described earlier today will make no sense. Their website has a lively forum, it has product reviews, and it has a very sophisticated small-ads section. If your French is not up to it, just try clicking on stuff to get a feel for it: search for something in the small ads (oh, AND they have a forum for musicians to get in contact, form groups, etc.).
There's a lot more I could say, but Bacchus is calling, and anyway, I'm hijacking this thread...(however, PM me if you want to continue the discussion!).
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:08 pm

FrankF wrote:Actually, Hugh, I am, I'm comparing 2 websites. Obviously, Audiofanzine.fr don't produce a paper magazine, I get that, (but in a sense that's irrelevant, because I imagine your website doesn't subsidise a loss-making mag) but their website is just slicker than yours, and they use targeted ads, sorry to repeat myself, but it works, and brilliantly. Gearlust is satisfied, one way or another, but faster! ;-)

I hear you! And I have rooted around the site once or twice, naturally.

But as I say, its run with completely different priorities (and resources too, I suspect) to those of SOS at the moment. Who knows what the future holds, but this is really not my area of knowledge or influence, I'm afraid.

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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby FrankF » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:18 pm

Lewis, I feel a little foolish posting this, as I pointed out the DPS24 ad to you in the first place, so I'll get the apology in first, but are you sure that's what you want? :?
Let me explain: I've owned 3 dps24s, and all 3 of them have had dodgy analogue inputs. Moreover, I've had to replace PSU and power distrib. cards in 2 of them, at a cost of several hundred dollars (VST in California still have parts, allegedly!), and finally, the OS is buggy, in several ways.
Now, that said, I still have and use 2 machines, so I must like sth about them :headbang: , but really, if you can't get over to test that machine in Germany, I think you're taking a substantial risk.
Sorry to sound like an arse, but I just had to get that off my chest! Feel free to chuck comments back at me, either in public or in PM. :bouncy:
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:22 pm

FrankF wrote:Lewis, I feel a little foolish posting this, as I pointed out the DPS24 ad to you in the first place, so I'll get the apology in first, but are you sure that's what you want? :?
Let me explain: I've owned 3 dps24s, and all 3 of them have had dodgy analogue inputs. Moreover, I've had to replace PSU and power distrib. cards in 2 of them, at a cost of several hundred dollars (VST in California still have parts, allegedly!), and finally, the OS is buggy, in several ways.
Now, that said, I still have and use 2 machines, so I must like sth about them :headbang: , but really, if you can't get over to test that machine in Germany, I think you're taking a substantial risk.
Sorry to sound like an arse, but I just had to get that off my chest! Feel free to chuck comments back at me, either in public or in PM. :bouncy:


I'm aware of the bugs with the DPS24, that's not as bad as a mackie D8B crashing and locking up, Mackie TT24 with fader errors / CPU host error, Tascam SX1 with a crappy OS and parts which didn't add up right, etc. Yep, seller hasn't yet responded. If parts are going to he available to a degree, ok, but if you've had 2 with faults, others have had issues, fair enough. I'll pull the plug on this and somehow, christ knows how, have to sort something else out. Anyone got a yamaha 02r96 or DM2000? if not, time to bail out now, forget the plans and just play a feckin piano lol
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby FrankF » Sat Jan 26, 2019 10:43 pm

Why are you looking only at old stuff? What's wrong with the Zoom Livetrak? 12 jack inputs, it records to 2 locations simul (IMO, people are not bigging up this feature enough - instant backups!) - I want one!
I started in digital with the AKAI DPS16, and I have to say the DPs24 was a step backwards in terms of reliability and user in yer face, sorry, interface, (god this Chilean red is good)...
Oh, before I forget (my name), someone managed to install an adapter to a DPS16 which allowed him to record direct to SD card - interesting.
If you can't handle the audiofanzine.fr website, send me a short list of wants, and I will set up some auto-searches, really, great stuff comes up all the time. If it's in my neck of the woods, I could go and check it out. Honestly, that German DPS sounds OK, but if you can't go and test the inputs, then ooh er.
Finally wineally, my point about parts was that VST USA don't have analogue input boards AFAIK: they sold me PSU and distrib. boards (oh, and SCSI cards - you need to budget for one of those). Hope this is clear - if not, there's always tomorrow. :-)
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby FrankF » Sat Jan 26, 2019 11:38 pm

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FrankF wrote:Actually, Hugh, I am, I'm comparing 2 websites. Obviously, Audiofanzine.fr don't produce a paper magazine, I get that, (but in a sense that's irrelevant, because I imagine your website doesn't subsidise a loss-making mag) but their website is just slicker than yours, and they use targeted ads, sorry to repeat myself, but it works, and brilliantly. Gearlust is satisfied, one way or another, but faster! ;-)

I hear you! And I have rooted around the site once or twice, naturally.

But as I say, its run with completely different priorities (and resources too, I suspect) to those of SOS at the moment. Who knows what the future holds, but this is really not my area of knowledge or influence, I'm afraid.

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Get away with ya, Hugh! How are the websites' priorities different? They're both run for musos (and by musos), and they both flog ads to make a bit of money, only they do it better than SOS (the advertising part), that's all I'm saying! (And I don't think they're bigger than SOS: quite the contrary.)
To get back to the buyer protection that we talked about earlier, regarding small-ads: it wouldn't cost SOS a penny, as these companies earn commission from the transactions themselves. It's like Paypal +++, but not quite as good as Canada +++. :bouncy:
I just feel that SOS Small Ads has been allowed to decline over the decades (yes, I used to use it a lot way back when), and it's a shame, because there's an oppo to BOTH improve it and to get some revenue from it. :mrgreen:
Anyway, this is just my expat perspective, so maybe it's not relevant. However, I would be interested to know if people are moving away from paper subs to digi. subs, in which case, it IS relevant. Nothing personal, Hugh, just ideas. :angel:
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:29 am

FrankF wrote:How are the websites' priorities different?

Well, because they're set up to produce a website and that's it. SOS is set up to produce magazines, the copy from which is then spun off to an add-on website. Different production priorities. Only a couple of SOS staff work on the website, the rest all make paper and digital magazines.

To get back to the buyer protection that we talked about earlier, regarding small-ads: it wouldn't cost SOS a penny, as these companies earn commission from the transactions themselves.

There would be significant runningbcosts in the admin and legal overheads as well as the additional staff to manage it. Some of those costs might be mitigated by transaction fees and targeted ads, but it would need a careful analysis and a lot of web development before setting up that kind of facility.

I just feel that SOS Small Ads has been allowed to decline over the decades (yes, I used to use it a lot way back when), and it's a shame, because there's an oppo to BOTH improve it and to get some revenue from it. :mrgreen:

Like I said... I hear ya.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby Eddy Deegan » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:44 am

FrankF wrote:I just feel that SOS Small Ads has been allowed to decline over the decades (yes, I used to use it a lot way back when), and it's a shame, because there's an oppo to BOTH improve it and to get some revenue from it. :mrgreen:

I used to work in the newspaper industry and believe me, 'small ads' are anything but small. They may be to the consumers (both selling and buying) but the overheads associated with dealing with high-churn in-and-out of ads are enormous (the stories I could tell ...)

The newspaper I used to work for had a very large editorial department packed with journos, correspondents, sub-editors and their support staff.

It also had a 'small ads' department which dwarfed the editorial department. It also had (and has) a very comprehensive website, none of this stuff is/was done on paper only.

Don't underestimate the resources needed to do small ads properly. If you're a company that specialises in it, fair play, you'll get a lot done with fewer resources than others might but unless you have that expertise it's a minefield and contracting that expertise in can be very expensive.

I completely understand why SOS haven't gone down that route - it's not their focus, and we have a better music tech magazine as a result.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby Eddy Deegan » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:51 am

FrankF wrote:Why are you looking only at old stuff?

If LewisAlexander2018 wanted to say more he would have done. I hope he doesn't mind me saying only that he has his reasons and they are very valid.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby OneWorld » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:12 pm

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FrankF wrote:Lewis, I feel a little foolish posting this, as I pointed out the DPS24 ad to you in the first place, so I'll get the apology in first, but are you sure that's what you want? :?
Let me explain: I've owned 3 dps24s, and all 3 of them have had dodgy analogue inputs. Moreover, I've had to replace PSU and power distrib. cards in 2 of them, at a cost of several hundred dollars (VST in California still have parts, allegedly!), and finally, the OS is buggy, in several ways.
Now, that said, I still have and use 2 machines, so I must like sth about them :headbang: , but really, if you can't get over to test that machine in Germany, I think you're taking a substantial risk.
Sorry to sound like an arse, but I just had to get that off my chest! Feel free to chuck comments back at me, either in public or in PM. :bouncy:


I'm aware of the bugs with the DPS24, that's not as bad as a mackie D8B crashing and locking up, Mackie TT24 with fader errors / CPU host error, Tascam SX1 with a crappy OS and parts which didn't add up right, etc. Yep, seller hasn't yet responded. If parts are going to he available to a degree, ok, but if you've had 2 with faults, others have had issues, fair enough. I'll pull the plug on this and somehow, christ knows how, have to sort something else out. Anyone got a yamaha 02r96 or DM2000? if not, time to bail out now, forget the plans and just play a feckin piano lol

There's an 02r96 on Gumtree £500, has meter bridge and 1xMY16 ADAT card and 1xMy8 ADAT card, but the paintwork is in bad condition and it is way oop there in Middlesborough.

By the way, looks like you had some fun in the past with monsters such as the D8B, TT24 and SX1. In fact the SX1 looked to be the ideal back in the day but I guess the fact they never became popular speaks for itself - it was a duffer.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:16 pm

OneWorld wrote:
LewisAlexander2018 wrote:
FrankF wrote:Lewis, I feel a little foolish posting this, as I pointed out the DPS24 ad to you in the first place, so I'll get the apology in first, but are you sure that's what you want? :?
Let me explain: I've owned 3 dps24s, and all 3 of them have had dodgy analogue inputs. Moreover, I've had to replace PSU and power distrib. cards in 2 of them, at a cost of several hundred dollars (VST in California still have parts, allegedly!), and finally, the OS is buggy, in several ways.
Now, that said, I still have and use 2 machines, so I must like sth about them :headbang: , but really, if you can't get over to test that machine in Germany, I think you're taking a substantial risk.
Sorry to sound like an arse, but I just had to get that off my chest! Feel free to chuck comments back at me, either in public or in PM. :bouncy:


I'm aware of the bugs with the DPS24, that's not as bad as a mackie D8B crashing and locking up, Mackie TT24 with fader errors / CPU host error, Tascam SX1 with a crappy OS and parts which didn't add up right, etc. Yep, seller hasn't yet responded. If parts are going to he available to a degree, ok, but if you've had 2 with faults, others have had issues, fair enough. I'll pull the plug on this and somehow, christ knows how, have to sort something else out. Anyone got a yamaha 02r96 or DM2000? if not, time to bail out now, forget the plans and just play a feckin piano lol

There's an 02r96 on Gumtree £500, has meter bridge and 1xMY16 ADAT card and 1xMy8 ADAT card, but the paintwork is in bad condition and it is way oop there in Middlesborough.

By the way, looks like you had some fun in the past with monsters such as the D8B, TT24 and SX1. In fact the SX1 looked to be the ideal back in the day but I guess the fact they never became popular speaks for itself - it was a duffer.


I'll check this out, but there's one on ebay similar by the sound of it for the same price defective, pulled from a studio, damaged paintwork console is claimed working but have been informed that when switched on, display is dead, whether that's a power rail fault or just a crap display, god knows. I'll look it up and have a chat with the seller. ideally I can't help the feeling that an 02r96 with all that cosmetic damage has more issues than that. you know what I mean. Think I'll have to sell my body on ebay lol.
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 12:27 pm

OneWorld wrote:
LewisAlexander2018 wrote:
FrankF wrote:Lewis, I feel a little foolish posting this, as I pointed out the DPS24 ad to you in the first place, so I'll get the apology in first, but are you sure that's what you want? :?
Let me explain: I've owned 3 dps24s, and all 3 of them have had dodgy analogue inputs. Moreover, I've had to replace PSU and power distrib. cards in 2 of them, at a cost of several hundred dollars (VST in California still have parts, allegedly!), and finally, the OS is buggy, in several ways.
Now, that said, I still have and use 2 machines, so I must like sth about them :headbang: , but really, if you can't get over to test that machine in Germany, I think you're taking a substantial risk.
Sorry to sound like an arse, but I just had to get that off my chest! Feel free to chuck comments back at me, either in public or in PM. :bouncy:


I'm aware of the bugs with the DPS24, that's not as bad as a mackie D8B crashing and locking up, Mackie TT24 with fader errors / CPU host error, Tascam SX1 with a crappy OS and parts which didn't add up right, etc. Yep, seller hasn't yet responded. If parts are going to he available to a degree, ok, but if you've had 2 with faults, others have had issues, fair enough. I'll pull the plug on this and somehow, christ knows how, have to sort something else out. Anyone got a yamaha 02r96 or DM2000? if not, time to bail out now, forget the plans and just play a feckin piano lol

There's an 02r96 on Gumtree £500, has meter bridge and 1xMY16 ADAT card and 1xMy8 ADAT card, but the paintwork is in bad condition and it is way oop there in Middlesborough.

By the way, looks like you had some fun in the past with monsters such as the D8B, TT24 and SX1. In fact the SX1 looked to be the ideal back in the day but I guess the fact they never became popular speaks for itself - it was a duffer.

Re consoles. I've worked with a D8B system a number of times, liked it, but been put off by the amount of people who have had issues, even today with them, still amazed folk use them with issues like wrong caps on power rails, etc, PSU / CPU faults, fader board issues, crashing surfaces, etc. The TT24 I had a chance to review years back before the 02r96 (used) came into my studio. I liked the TT24, but finding one now is impossible, mainly as they've been broken down for spares due to the amount of issues developed with the mainboard, etc, as the TT24 was a newer version of the D8b, same mistakes from what I'm told, if built better, would have been an amazing recording desk. The SX1 I wanted to own, tried one out, was impressed, but the price tag at the time was a heart stopper. good thing I didn't. I spoke with a few different people who were owners of the SX1 and SX1LE and was told don't touch it today, not worth the headache.

I've been thinking about going the tascam DM4800 route with a Tascam X48. any thoughts? the reason I ask, there's an X48 in Italy for sale on ebay with TDIF plux 2 x 24 channel adat boards, so, 48 channel adat / 48 channel TDIF. I've not had much experience with the X48 as a recorder, heard a good deal about it, would replace a lot of searching for a PT system. DM4800 would be a viable desk maybe. has what I'm after. question is, can automation from a console like that be recorded to an X48? if so is that midi, RS232 or word clock?
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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby LewisAlexander2018 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:28 pm

Hi folks. An update.

The idea of a porta studio / all in one is now a no-go and have decided to leave this be.

Recently with some help from amazing companies I've had software accounts with, I've received help in recovering software / replacing software. meaning that a digital system (DAW) is doable. Temporarily speaking, a rather crappy, falling to bits, dying 2012 13" macbook pro is here to do general bits with, but am waiting on potential news from a few parties who may be able to support me.

Protools is definitely out of the window now, so much for being a long standing AVID customer, tutor, etc AVID USA ditched me. doesn't matter. Logic Pro X is just as good, if not better. NO DONGLE! also the fact that there are better interfaces around now. I do miss the protools HD workflow I have to admit, but in all honesty, for a small setup now, no point, just logic, software synths / sample libraries, sort out an audio iterface / control surface, try and find a bit of help with a few bits to get back up and running, etc. then all will be alright.

I just want to thank those who have been in touch to offer help, help in finding possible solutions. I'm sorry I've been a difficult person to handle.

take care all.

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Re: searching for a hard disk recording system to replace entire studio

Postby blinddrew » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:28 pm

Glad you've been able to get to some kind of a solution. :thumbup:
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