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Re: stage monitors

Postby manleyelop » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:05 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
manleyelop wrote:Much appreciated i would have really enjoyed that...

The beauty of the SOS forums is that we have kind and helpful folk all over the place! Calling members in the Yorkshire area... Eh up lads! Anyone able to help out? :-)

iv'e always struggled with grasping manuals im smart but i have to work very hard at taking info in from them hence all the questions.

I get that. Most manuals assume a certain level of background knowledge and a prescribed way of thinking, and unless you're on the same wavelength as the writer than can seem rather mysterious sometimes -- especially when it comes to the more obscure functionality.

It may help to read a more generalised approach to live sound equipment, and then see if that helps you to translate and understand the specifics of the MZ3/4 manuals.

Paul White's The SOS Guide to Live Sound is very readable and would provide a good grounding of most mixer concepts. Image

https://www.soundonsound.com/shop/books/sos-guide-live-sound

... and it's currently on offer from the SOS shop! :lol:

Thanks Hugh ive used the desk many times but it's the smaller detail that frustrates me usually & with me being so interested that just adds to the frustration some manuals speak my language & others make no sense to me lol im more practical & grasp things when shown & when i can ask questions here & there.looks like the book is out of stock lol
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Re: stage monitors

Postby Wonks » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:27 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Paul White's The SOS Guide to Live Sound is very readable and would provide a good grounding of most mixer concepts. Image

https://www.soundonsound.com/shop/books/sos-guide-live-sound

... and it's currently on offer from the SOS shop! :lol:


But unfortunately out of stock. :(
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Re: stage monitors

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:36 pm

Ah well... it's available from all good book retailers... and amazon!

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Re: stage monitors

Postby Wonks » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:11 pm

Just checked. £32.99 from Waterstones! :o :protest: :o
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Re: stage monitors

Postby manleyelop » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:39 pm

Wonks wrote:Just checked. £32.99 from Waterstones! :o :protest: :o

Bloody hell that's not cheap :protest:

£20.76 from amazon though im reading back through the Mix wizard WZ3 manual again but slowly it's the ST 1 to 6 routing options that still confuse me but i'll get there.
The manual seems to suggest St1 to 5 is for returning fx to the LR mix but ST2 to 6 is just a return
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Re: stage monitors

Postby manleyelop » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:59 pm

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So in your case, use 1, 2 , 3 and 4 (if needed), for the foldback monitors (with 3/4 set pre-fade), and 5/6 for the external effects sends.


aha right OK That's what i was thinking thanks ive been using 1/2 for monitors & 3 /4 for fx sends
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Re: stage monitors

Postby blinddrew » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:00 pm

I'm in York, so depending on where you are in EY possibly not that far away.
I'm a long way short of the expertise of people like Mike, Sam, Wonks and Hugh but I'm pretty good with a manual so happy to meet up sometime and work through a few things if that would help.
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Re: stage monitors

Postby manleyelop » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:23 pm

Thankyou im back with the manual to see if i can make headway with it i'll drop you a line if i need to Thanks though much appreciated :thumbup:
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Re: stage monitors

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:57 pm

Brilliant! :thumbup: :clap: thanks Drew. I'd take up the offer -- having someone talk you through things in front of the desk can be really beneficial.
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Re: stage monitors

Postby blinddrew » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:12 am

:thumbup: No worries, feel free to PM me or let me know when you're next getting the desk out for anything and pending life getting in the way, I'll see if I can swing by. :)
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Re: stage monitors

Postby AlecSp » Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:23 pm

manleyelop wrote: iv'e always struggled with grasping manuals im smart but i have to work very hard at taking info in from them hence all the questions.i use the desk & it's great but would like to know more about it so it can become quite frustrating at times,im a gifted dude musician & engineer but i have to work hard to learn even though im eager too but hey that's life :bouncy: but then if my brain worked differently perhaps my musical side would not be so gifted
If you're not a good manual reader, then take a few hours to have some "personal time" with your desk. Just the two of you, accompanied by either a mic plugged in, or a simple pre-recorded source, a pair of headphones and/or a simple active speaker. That way, you can play to your heart's content and really learn what all the controls and I/O do, listening to the signal at various outputs.

Even if you are a manual reader, there's nothing to beat practise to help get to grips with features, and to confirm whether or not they work like you expect them to.
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Re: stage monitors

Postby manleyelop » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:25 am

AlecSp wrote:
manleyelop wrote: iv'e always struggled with grasping manuals im smart but i have to work very hard at taking info in from them hence all the questions.i use the desk & it's great but would like to know more about it so it can become quite frustrating at times,im a gifted dude musician & engineer but i have to work hard to learn even though im eager too but hey that's life :bouncy: but then if my brain worked differently perhaps my musical side would not be so gifted
If you're not a good manual reader, then take a few hours to have some "personal time" with your desk. Just the two of you, accompanied by either a mic plugged in, or a simple pre-recorded source, a pair of headphones and/or a simple active speaker. That way, you can play to your heart's content and really learn what all the controls and I/O do, listening to the signal at various outputs.

Even if you are a manual reader, there's nothing to beat practise to help get to grips with features, and to confirm whether or not they work like you expect them to.

Funny enough i did just that i spent a full day with the Mixwizard WZ3 yesterday hooked everything i needed up couple of reverbs & an old minidisc player & did some serious investigating & it payed off things are making much more sense to me now it's not nearly as complex as i was thinking but it has taken some time to get my head around the routings it seems there are many ways of routing things on the mix wizard but i reckon i have it covered now.one thing i discovered though i can use ST5 & ST6 for ext fx but 6 doesn't route to the monitor via aux so i'll have to use say ST1 if i want fx on the stage monitors ,also looks like i have a couple of sunk faders that need fixing so i may have to take the board in for a service to A&H Thanks everyone for the support :)
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