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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby Watchmaker » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:34 pm

There is a method to survey's which intentionally repeats or slightly rephrases questions. This is usually intended to offset biases of the respondents.
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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby Sam Spoons » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:03 pm

Or confirm biases in the survey writers?
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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby blinddrew » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:18 am

I'm with Wombat and Watchmaker on this, in that when having this argument with my drummer, he says that the music should be able to breathe and flex, but i say it should groove around the tempo not ignoring it.
I'd far rather play and practice with a click but drummers are rare and singer-songwriters are common so he always gets his way. :)

I do wonder if there are other angles to this though: genre, training, competence, practice methods etc.
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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby Sam Spoons » Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:03 am

Gypsy players often practice to a click/metronome but never play/perform to one (not sure about recording but I think very few do). Practicing us often with the click on the 2 & 4 or even only on the 4 which is a great technique for internalising the rhythm and swing.
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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby Watchmaker » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:43 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:Or confirm biases in the survey writers?

Indeed, if I'm cold-hearted and candid, I would critique the survey construction rather heavily, yet I find my self biased in favor of the fairly clumsy design because I like the question.

There is plenty of self affirming "science" out there and I wouldn't place a lot of faith in conclusions based solely on the responses to this survey, but that doesn't totally invalidate the approach either. It may provide our intrepid researcher with a way to articulate a hypothesis for further testing.
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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby Ez » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:25 pm

Hi everyone.

Haven’t completed the survey -get enough of those at work. :headbang:

However, coming from a church worship band perspective we use clicks as a means of ensuring everyone is locked into the tempo and (excuse the pun) playing from the same hymn sheet. When I joined the team a few years ago I had never played along to a click, just enduring the trials of playing in a band where the tempo of a song would go +/- whatever the non guitarist/keyboardist would start at. I suggested using a click but was met with complete indignation - similarly the suggestion of using a drum machine was the equivalent of signing my death sentence. Don’t get me wrong I loved the drummer to bits but we all as a band got frustrated at times with varying tempos.
So back to the worship band and as I got using to using the click I was free to get on with playing and not worrying about timing as invariably the drummer was controlling the click and so had the final say anyway.

I agree that clicks aren’t for every genre of music and are not a means to an end but used carefully and skilfully can bring an average performance into something tighter than a crabs bottom at 30 fathoms
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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby awjoe » Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:58 pm

Okay, I'm probably being really boring posting yet again about using clicks, but this thread coincides with my experimenting with how I use clicks, and on the off chance that my enthusiasm isn't misplaced...

Recently, I've used clicks two ways that have had a positive outcome.

* When I can't quite seem to nail the take in terms of feeling/inspiration, I'll bump the tempo up by 1 bpm. I don't know what this does to my brain, but often the outcome is a keeper.

* I'll do the first take at a tempo maybe 3 bpm higher than it should be. Each subsequent take will be at 1 bpm slower than the previous take. How it FEELS when I'm recording is: rushed, then less rushed, then RIGHT! The take that feels right turns out to actually be right.
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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby Watchmaker » Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:58 pm

Neat trick awjoe. I'm going to try that.

I do alot of tempo exploration and am the only person I know (besides paid composers) who actually puts BPM on my lead sheets
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Re: Click-Track Research and Survey

Postby TNGator » Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:01 pm

Its been years since i was in a band and now that i record on my own..my timing was awful. I cant play to a normal click per se but i will put down even a kick drum as a time keeper. It's improved my playing like you wouldnt believe.
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