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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Watchmaker » Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:48 am

My view of the computing world is very selfish. In my audio production environment my primary goal is a rig that is stable above all else. There haven't been such significant improvements in OS's in years to justify screwing up my known and very reliable system, although I did install High Sierra just last week on my primary machine, I kept my old system on my backup.

I try to delay updating OS unless I absolutely have to and a stubborn bluetooth glitch in Yosemite drove me to it. When I do upgrade I do clean installs so the pain of re-configuring is still with me. I do not plan to "upgrade" anytime soon.

My cynical perspective is that sales teams are made up of flunkies who live or die by commissions, developers just want to get paid - and both of those needs are incompatible with my need for a stable environment.

I'd say wait until you absolutely must upgrade.
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby ConcertinaChap » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:35 pm

I largely agree, though I take my upgrade cycle from Apple's support cycle, i.e. when Apple drop support then that's the time to upgrade. When I do move it normally isn't to the latest version but to one back, as by then all issues with drivers and such have usually been worked out. To do this, though, requires a little pre-planning. You have to remember to download the latest OS installer (but not, of course, run it) so that it's available when you do actually want to use it.

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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Goughy » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:50 pm

desmond wrote:*If* that is the case, and your hardware is unsupported, just stay on Mojave. That will last you a good few years. There is no real need to update, and Mojave is already pretty bleeding-edge at this time anyway...

Having given this some more thought, I think this is the best way forward. My Mac Mini is a late-2012 model and I wouldn't be surprised if the next MacOS upgrade after Catalina did not run on this machine (pure speculation, of course!).

I'd considered creating a bootable Mojave external drive which I could boot from to run Mix Control after I'd updated to Catalina, but it seems a bit of a faff and would be slow unless I used an SSD.

I have an iMac which I can use for other applications which need to be kept up to date with Catalina. It'll just need some shuffling of the software etc.

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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Sam Spoons » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:32 pm

Perfectly possible to run a USB stick with an earlier OSX on for occasional configuration tasks (and speed is really not of the essence here). Why not give it a try and if the performance is fit for purpose then do the upgrade?
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Julian_M » Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:55 am

Long time since I posted here last as Mrs M's been quite poorly, but as I've been shopping around for another Firewire interfaces this evening (Mrs M wants to do some of her own recording) and checking compatibility, I stumbled on to this thread.

Sorry to say, but you've got it all wrong!! I'm reliably informed (by my latest bank statement), that everyone reading this thread should immediately set about becoming absolutely current with the very latest versions of MacOS as a matter of urgency.

Do not, I repeat do not, delude yourselves into thinking that your horribly out-of-date Firewire interfaces will continue to serve you perfectly well for many years to come.

[This most especially applies to owners of interfaces from RME and Apogee, but also (at a pinch as Mrs M won't know the difference anyway) those from Focusrite, MOTU, Presonus and Mackie.]

You lot really have to understand that you simply cannot continue just plodding along at 400 or even 800 Mbits/s! Embarrassingly slow! What you all need - nay deserve - is the latest, greatest, super-duperist, fastest, USB 3 and Thunderbolt interfaces. Think of the exhilaration of the speed with which your audio signals will transmit up and down those cables! Stop denying yourselves this ultimate thrill! Think of the teeny-weeny latencies you won't be able to hear anyway! Think of those massive sessions involving multiple orchestras you've always wanted to record! Think of the exquisite sonic detail you'll theoretically be able to capture if you also upgrade the rest of your entire signal chain! Out with the old - in with the new, shiny and vitally necessary equipment upgrades!

And absolutely do not under any circumstances chicken out and keep hold of that old equipment, reject entirely the possibility that you won't be able to hear the tiniest difference. Immediately and without hesitation, sell it cheap (not giving a moment's consideration to the impact of a sudden massive glut of Firewire interfaces on the secondhand market) or, preferably, if you happen to live in Yorkshire, just leave it outside your house and PM me your address - I will nobly rid you of the embarrassment, nice chap that I am.
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Arpangel » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:33 am

Julian_M wrote:Long time since I posted here last as Mrs M's been quite poorly, but as I've been shopping around for another Firewire interfaces this evening (Mrs M wants to do some of her own recording) and checking compatibility, I stumbled on to this thread.

Sorry to say, but you've got it all wrong!! I'm reliably informed (by my latest bank statement), that everyone reading this thread should immediately set about becoming absolutely current with the very latest versions of MacOS as a matter of urgency.

Do not, I repeat do not, delude yourselves into thinking that your horribly out-of-date Firewire interfaces will continue to serve you perfectly well for many years to come.

[This most especially applies to owners of interfaces from RME and Apogee, but also (at a pinch as Mrs M won't know the difference anyway) those from Focusrite, MOTU, Presonus and Mackie.]

You lot really have to understand that you simply cannot continue just plodding along at 400 or even 800 Mbits/s! Embarrassingly slow! What you all need - nay deserve - is the latest, greatest, super-duperist, fastest, USB 3 and Thunderbolt interfaces. Think of the exhilaration of the speed with which your audio signals will transmit up and down those cables! Stop denying yourselves this ultimate thrill! Think of the teeny-weeny latencies you won't be able to hear anyway! Think of those massive sessions involving multiple orchestras you've always wanted to record! Think of the exquisite sonic detail you'll theoretically be able to capture if you also upgrade the rest of your entire signal chain! Out with the old - in with the new, shiny and vitally necessary equipment upgrades!

And absolutely do not under any circumstances chicken out and keep hold of that old equipment, reject entirely the possibility that you won't be able to hear the tiniest difference. Immediately and without hesitation, sell it cheap (not giving a moment's consideration to the impact of a sudden massive glut of Firewire interfaces on the secondhand market) or, preferably, if you happen to live in Yorkshire, just leave it outside your house and PM me your address - I will nobly rid you of the embarrassment, nice chap that I am.

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I never upgrade my Mac OS unless I really have to, it's a con, and a lot of my stuff may not work.
I was on Mavericks up until about a year ago, when my Mac broke (they do you know) and had to be repaired, it came back with Sierra on it (not High) I have no intention of updating. It's not compulsory.
Unless they pull that old trick of no support, we have to live with the illusion that computers and music are a good thing, but only if you have a bottomless wallet, like Mac users obviously have.
It's easy to end up with a pile of useless interfaces and other stuff, sometimes it's tempting to plug that old digital multitrack back in.
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Julian_M » Sat Aug 17, 2019 2:48 am

when my Mac broke (they do you know)

The first Mac I had that actually broke, as in stopped working properly because of a fault, was my 2011 MacBook Pro with the dGPU getting fried as discussed earlier in this thread. From 1992 to 2013 while many old Macs were donated to family members and lost track of, for the 4 to 5 years I used them every day, not a single one from Performas to iBooks, G3's, G4's and G5's etc, etc, ever stopped functioning as a computer - I am not counting hard drive failures, though I've been lucky there too.
It was Apple's cynical attitude towards owners of the 1,1 and 2,1 Mac Pro's with their 32bit EFI's, that was my first wake up call that a fundamental shift had happened with Apple's attitude towards its customers in general and creative professionals specifically. There are slightly more valid reasons why they might be excused not supporting these machines post 10.11.6 (instead of stopping at 10.7 as they did) involving limitations of the Xeon CPU's of that era, but even this is flakey given that its pretty easy to boot modern versions of both Linux and Windows on my 2006 Mac Pro. This still functions perfectly as an 'office' machine - actually it can do much more, but I'm too tight to pay the electric bill it runs up.
My current 'studio' machine is a hackintosh and I don't plan on spending another penny on Apple products. I just got a FW card for Mrs M's hackintosh and I'm liking the Focusrite Pro 24 DSP with the twin headphone outs for her, which is why I was wondering if the Saffire software was supported, which it seems to be up to 10.14.
It'd be great if someone could confirm that's true? I know Presonus blamed Apple for changing something in 10.11 to stop their onboard DSP from working . . . I want to make it super easy for Mrs M to add some reverb to her headphone mix without messing about with DAW aux's etc., which tends to intimidate her a bit.
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby JackFocusrite » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:57 pm

Just to let you all know, it is absolutely our intention to ensure that both Scarlett Mix Control and Saffire Mix Control are compatible with macOS Catalina.

We have a beta version of Scarlett Mix Control available already which should work with macOS Catalina (though it won't be the final release): http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/scarlett_mixcontrol/

We don't have a set date for a new Saffire Mix Control version but we're hoping to have one available by the time macOS Catalina is released.

I hope this helps!

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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Goughy » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:04 pm

JackFocusrite wrote:Just to let you all know, it is absolutely our intention to ensure that both Scarlett Mix Control and Saffire Mix Control are compatible with macOS Catalina.

We have a beta version of Scarlett Mix Control available already which should work with macOS Catalina (though it won't be the final release): http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/scarlett_mixcontrol/

We don't have a set date for a new Saffire Mix Control version but we're hoping to have one available by the time macOS Catalina is released.

I hope this helps!

Jack // Focusrite Tech Support

Thanks Jack!

This is excellent news. It is the answer I was hoping for but didn't really expect when I started the thread.

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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Julian_M » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:22 pm

JackFocusrite wrote:Just to let you all know, it is absolutely our intention to ensure that both Scarlett Mix Control and Saffire Mix Control are compatible with macOS Catalina. *snip*

Jack // Focusrite Tech Support
Agreed this is indeed excellent news, not that I have the slightest intention of upgrading to Catalina for some years yet, but good to know Focusrite are supporting their hardware longer term! As the owner of a Liquid 4Pre (which I think was massively under appreciated) that gives me a lot of confidence I made a good choice a long time ago and also makes it very easy for me to recommend their newer products to friends and colleagues.
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby sixtdb » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:08 am

Thanks for getting in touch.

It is our intention to release a 64-bit version of Saffire MixControl for the release of OS X 10.15.

This is still not available at present but we are hoping to release this soon.

Best regards,

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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Dominic Witherow » Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:43 pm

Here is link to the 64bit version: http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/saffire_mix_control/

I'm on a MacPro 5,1 (mid 2010), using Saffire Pro 24 with High Sierra and the new driver works well with my system.
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby mikebw » Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:29 pm

Goughy wrote:I have been happily using the Saffire Mix Control (version 3.7) to set up my Saffire Pro40 on a Mac (MacOS 10.14.5) but I fear that it will stop working with the next MacOS update (Catalina) because that OS won't run non 64-bit software.

I realize Saffire Mix Control is elderly, but does anyone know if there will be an update to 64-bit?

Thanks,

Richard

(I couldn't get past the CAPTCHA on the Focusrite website!).

Richard, check out the FocusRite page for the 64-bit version of MixControl for the Saffire Pro line - http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/saffire_mix_control/

I was pleased to find this myself as we have a number of Saffire Pro 24 DSPs in use where I work, and would like to continue using them as we upgrade to Catalina in the future.

Note I have not tested this myself, but they claim that these units DO work in Catalina in their product compatibility chart - https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/ ... -Catalina-
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby angussimons » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:29 am

Focusrite has a beta version for Catalina http://beta.focusrite.com/releases/saffire_mix_control/
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Re: Saffire Mix Control on MacOS Catalina

Postby Goughy » Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:07 am

Thanks for the heads up. I'll give it a go.

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