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I want better separation

Postby Demious » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:47 pm

My mixes sound like the 'wall of sound' a lot of metal is known for, where everything is against each other, with no space in between instruments. But personally Id like to have a little more air in between the sounds, but Ive been experimenting with deviding frequency spectrum more defined between instruments and when I start a mix it seem to go the right way, but once the mix is complete, every little bit of space is gone...
Anyone who can give me some advise on creating more space in between instruments? Or can point me to an article, video, or a course that has good information about this subject?
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Re: I want better separation

Postby MOF » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:11 pm

Once you’ve tried eq I can only think of backing off compression and effects to give a bit more breathing room.
Then it’s down to arrangement of instrument parts. If every instrument is frenetically busy all the time (that’s my take on metal, certainly shred metal) then you’re going to have to allow some instruments to chill a bit.
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Re: I want better separation

Postby blinddrew » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:29 pm

Not anything I know 'owt about, but here's some people who do:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... tal-part-1
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... tal-part-2
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... tal-part-3

Few ad hocs in here as well if I remember:
https://www.soundonsound.com/people/tom ... dern-metal

There's also this piece from Mike Senior, more about the recording side:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... sive-metal

Then there's these two older articles, I'm not sure how much the genre has changed in the last decade:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/extreme-metal
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/mixing-metal

And finally, there's a mix rescue as well:
https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques ... xing-metal

That should keep you going for a bit. :)
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Re: I want better separation

Postby James Perrett » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:31 pm

It might also be worth posting up a mix here. You'll need to host it on an external site like Soundcloud, Dropbox or Google Drive and post a link.
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Re: I want better separation

Postby The Elf » Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:28 am

It's impossible to know what you're hearing. Drop an example here so we know what problem we're trying to solve.
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Re: I want better separation

Postby Demious » Wed Aug 26, 2020 11:33 am

I'll start by reading the articles and play around with that a bit, see if I can come up with more direct questions.

Thanks, guys!
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Re: I want better separation

Postby CS70 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:31 pm

What I think of as of "separation" when I mix is the idea that as a listener I must be able to follow any instrument/sound that I choose, if I focus on it. The perfect mix for me is a mix where everything is cohesive and balanced, but if I want to focus on, say, the bass line, or the kick, or the guitars, etc I can do that and they don't disappear in a mess (unless of course I mute them in the mix as part of the arrangement) even when they're not part of the few items in the spotlight at that specific time.

The "how" of course implies a lot of techniques both in composition/arrangement, recording and mixing. For mixing we're talking balancing, EQ, use of reverbs for depth and panning for width, use of delays, automation, distortion, you name it.

But the idea above is simple and kinda of makes me satisfied.. if there's something in the mix, I want to be able to hear it if I so choose!
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