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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Sam Spoons » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:43 am

Well, confining the signal inside the screen is bad, those electrons need to be free to breathe if you hope to have an open and natural sounding HiFi system :beamup:
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:18 pm

The studio is finished now and has what I hope is a decent amount of bass trapping and broad band absorbers at the mirror points and elsewhere. I am still, sort of, considering a change of monitors and stretching the budget into Neumann KH120A or Adam A7X territory. Should I be considering anything else bearing in mind the KH120s are very much at the top of (and really a little beyond) what I can afford before I go listening to stuff?

Plan B would be to keep the Kef 104Ab and either rebuild them into a cabinet of identical internal volume but narrower and deeper to make room for a second computer monitor or a second pair of small speakers or move them onto stands spaced further apart in the room rather than on the shelf/alcove. Given the small size of the room (and the fact that it is the recording as well as mixing space) that latter is not a preferred option.

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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby ConcertinaChap » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:43 pm

The only other speakers I know well in that price range are the Genelec 8030s. They run the KH120s pretty close and if you can get a pair second hand in good nick I'd go for that and pocket the difference with a clear conscience. New, though, and I'd go for the Neumanns. Think of it as a lifetime purchase that you're unlikely ever to upgrade from and you can amortise the cost quite easily. :)

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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Wonks » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:01 pm

He's not 18 you know! :D
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby ConcertinaChap » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:27 pm

Same difference from my perspective :cool:

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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:39 pm

You know how to hurt an man Wabbit......

But he's right, I'm far from 18 (if I knew then what I know now.....).

The Adams claim to go deeper than the Neumanns but don't quote a tolerance when they say 42Hz to 50kHz so they could be 10dB down at 42Hz and 3dB down at 53Hz while the Neumanns are only 2dB down at 53. I suppose the Neumanns roll of very quickly below that though.

Much food for thought, heart says buy the Neumanns, head says keep the Kefs..... It's a lot of money just to keep me amused on those dark winter nights :headbang:
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby ConcertinaChap » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:08 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:It's a lot of money just to keep me amused on those dark winter nights

For however many are left to you ... ;)

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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:41 pm

:angel: or :evil: ?

Definitely going to make the best of them either way :thumbup:
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:43 pm

Buy the Neumanns. You won't regret it. I'll buy you a pint at the next Synthfest if you do...

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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Sam Spoons » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:52 pm

Bl00dy hell!!! thats an offer I can't refuse...... oh wait, I'm a guitar player, don't do Synthfest.....
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby blinddrew » Sat Dec 09, 2017 5:54 pm

That's either Hugh making a safe bet or driving up the numbers at synthfest. Either way he wins...
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:28 pm

:lol:
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby Wonks » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:13 am

Sonarworks have some speaker tests that show an A7X in a (non-ideal room) which indicate that they probably do have slightly more bass extension than the KH120s. Probably 48Hz at -3dB and 43Hz (ish) at -10dB.

https://sonarworks.com/blog/studio-moni ... om-studio/

It's clear form the Sonarworks tests that the Adam A77X and the Genelec 8040s can go significantly lower (approx. 32-33Hz at -3dB), though this is with calibration software that is boosting signal levels at the really low end, so not representative of speakers used without the Sonarworks software.
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby James Perrett » Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:21 am

From my listening experience, the bass on the Neumanns is very impressive for such a small box yet it doesn't sound overly hyped. I'd be happy to mix on them.
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Re: New Monitor Speakers

Postby ConcertinaChap » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:51 am

Just wondering, no-one mentions the Genelec M040 much, yet it's a larger speaker than the 8030 or KH120 (and hence, presumably more bass extension) and got a cracking review in SOS and costs about the same as the KH120. Just a thought about a speaker I haven't actually heard.

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