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Re: RTFM

Postby OneWorld » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:42 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:Don't be silly, fish can't read, anyway the paper would get all soggy. Fish get all their info off YouTube (obviously). :smirk:

Michael Fish could read
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Re: RTFM

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:51 pm

Naw he was just fooling you, that screen in front of him was showing YouTube videos of the news.........
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Re: RTFM

Postby OneWorld » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:58 pm

Dr Huge Longjohns wrote:I don't know why, but this reminded me of the current growth of Flat Earthers as a movement. I got sucked into watching endless vids on YT about these crazy people...there's a good doc on Netflix too. Time and time again, people prove using simple techniques that the earth isn't flat yet these people refuse to believe their eyes and ears. It's mesmerising to me.

I recommend SciMan Dan as a good starter if you're interested in seeing the Flat Earthers in all their, er, glory. He's fighting a running battle with them on YT. Sorry, utterly off topic. Folderol's fault.

The earth is flat? the flat earthers want to come and pedal a bike up the hill that takes me to town, Holland might be flat but the north of England isn't, so yes I concede, the earth is flat but only bits of it
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Re: RTFM

Postby OneWorld » Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:00 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:Naw he was just fooling you, that screen in front of him was showing YouTube videos of the news.........

He was a visionary fish as well, he dropped dead before YouTube was invented, maybe he had the Babel Fish in his ear
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Re: RTFM

Postby Rich Hanson » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:40 pm

Eddy Deegan wrote:
Dr Huge Longjohns wrote:I recommend SciMan Dan as a good starter if you're interested in seeing the Flat Earthers in all their, er, glory. He's fighting a running battle with them on YT. Sorry, utterly off topic. Folderol's fault.

:thumbup: It's car-crash entertainment but it's a guilty pleasure of mine. Baldy Catz and Wolfie6020 are also well worth checking out if you've not got them on the list already!

I had to unsub SciManDan in the end, the stupidity of the people he talked about started to hurt my brain :headbang:
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Re: RTFM

Postby Arpangel » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:40 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Arpangel wrote:I went on a course at the Beeb in the early2000's, I had to get a copy of Adobe Audition, and learn that, as it was the standard editor there then.

One of the 'standard editors'.... :-)

SADiE has been the primary 'craft' audio editing platform since the mid-90s and has been engineered to integrate nicely with the VCS diraNG playout/scheduling system.

Back in the early 2000s Audition was widely used for basic hack-editing and 'top'n'tailing', and sometimes simple packages that didn't need all the bells, whistles and finesse of SADiE.

But these days that work is generally done using StarTrack which is an integral part of the VCS DiraNG suite.

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I never came across SADIE at the Beeb, we were working on audio for radio and TV, as you say, pretty basic top and tailing. I've only ever met one person, in my entire involvement with audio, that used SADIE, a friend, and he sold it at a massive loss at the end of his career, no one really knew anything about it. It's favoured by classical engineers AFAIK, because of its micro editing and high end hardware integration.
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Re: RTFM

Postby James Perrett » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:35 pm

Arpangel wrote: It's favoured by classical engineers AFAIK, because of its micro editing and high end hardware integration.

Quite a few mastering engineers used Sadie as it was one of the first to offer DDP creation and they had a great reputation for support.
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Re: RTFM

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:49 pm

Yes, its key strengths are really in stereo and mulitichannel mastering, classical editing, complex radio production, and audio for video. It's also very good for high channel count location recording.

It doesn't have much in the way of midi support, so it's not an appropriate daw for electronic music.

Prism is still developing SADiE, and their support for it is still absolutely superb, but I think it's also fair to say that it has much stiffer competition now than it used to have, and so has lost some of the dominance it once enjoyed in those areas. I use it most days (alongside reaper, audition, and RX) and still find its editing facilities much better than everything else.
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Re: RTFM

Postby blinddrew » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:18 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:Whatever we think about it.... they're not all like us! :lol:
https://youtu.be/f0m3n9mPssA?t=74
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Re: RTFM

Postby Eddy Deegan » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:27 pm

blinddrew wrote:
Mike Stranks wrote:Whatever we think about it.... they're not all like us! :lol:
https://youtu.be/f0m3n9mPssA?t=74

Genius :lol:
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Re: RTFM

Postby ef37a » Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:57 am

Ok! I get it, most people are impatient, sound byte gits who want instant results for no effort.

But, it wasn't always that way? The "artist" and the "technologist" was usually one and the same person.
Even when Homo Erectus first banged on a hollow tree trunk with a mammoth's ulna he would be looking for better trunks, better bones and very soon modifying what he had. Even sans an instrument, ancient peoples would have noticed voices sounded better in caves so they would seek out bigger, better one then start changing them and eventually make "artificial" caves.
Painters would be bloody good imperial chemist! Of course, a gap would grow between the artist and the artisan but a violinists would still have a (many probably still do?) deep working knowledge of fiddle construction even though he would leave the actual work to a violin maker. BUT! He would not have expected a new instrument made overnight!

I defy you all to find an artistic endeavour that is possible without technology? What HAS happened in the last couple of decades is that many, many people have become lazy bstds!...N.B. I count myself among them. I KNOW I could do better and if I put the work in start playing guitar moderately well again.

So, I shall of course still lend what small support I can to the noob and I shall do it with a good heart and infinite patience but, take heed you really lazy ones? There will always be a tiny bit of my brain that is saying, "Oh! FF Sake!"

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Re: RTFM

Postby redlester » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:42 am

desmond wrote:It's completely impractical these days to provide up to date printed manuals for complex software sold at a more or less consumer level, and I really hate all the excessive paper use too - so I'm 100% good with electronic, seachable, documentation.

I'm about 75% good with it. Agree the practicalities make it a non-starter, but in an ideal world I still prefer having a hard copy so that I can flick between pages quickly. Sometimes closely interrelated information in a PDF is spread across multiple pages - not always concurrent pages - which makes it such a pain to try to read (especially if it's something complex) then particularly in those cases I completely understand people giving up on the manual altogether.

I suspect like the vast majority, if I come across a technical or operational question I tend to Google it first because 99 times out of 100 someone else will have asked exactly the same question. For example if I want to find out a shortcut key for something I don't use that often, I would never dream of referring to the electronic manual for it, much quicker to Google.

But the size of manuals seems to be growing exponentially. I remember when Car manuals would fit comfortably in a wallet in the glove box. The electronic manual for my current car (Toyota Prius plug-in hybrid) is 776 pages, plus another 261 pages for the navigation and audio system manual!
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Re: RTFM

Postby Sam Spoons » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:40 am

Eddy Deegan wrote:
blinddrew wrote:
Mike Stranks wrote:Whatever we think about it.... they're not all like us! :lol:
https://youtu.be/f0m3n9mPssA?t=74

Genius :lol:

Do you think he's a fan of this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2tzUFw_onY?
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Re: RTFM

Postby blinddrew » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:51 am

A clear inspiration! :)
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Re: RTFM

Postby Mike Stranks » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:00 am

... and he's already signed-up for Blindrew's Hawaiian Shirt Day!

(Actually, I think he is Blindrew... :lol: )

But... sobering thought... is that how we might sometimes come across to the newbie just starting the journey? :o
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