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Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 12:13 pm
by garrettendi
Additionally I'd say one of the benefits the UMC204HD has over "better" brands for the same price second hand is the UMC has a pad button.

That pad button has saved my bacon so often to the point I leave it on as the default for channel 2.

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:20 pm
by Arpangel
garrettendi wrote:Additionally I'd say one of the benefits the UMC204HD has over "better" brands for the same price second hand is the UMC has a pad button.

That pad button has saved my bacon so often to the point I leave it on as the default for channel 2.

I notice the UMC204 has buttons for line, instrument and guitar, I get the impression that the mic amps are just padded down line inputs?

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:24 pm
by garrettendi
Arpangel wrote:I notice the UMC204 has buttons for line, instrument and guitar, I get the impression that the mic amps are just padded down line inputs?

I don't know the technical details but there is a button for Line/Instrument and a button for Pad... I find when recording guitar I switch it to Instrument and engage the Pad!

Without the pad it clips around about 9 o'clock on the gain/trim knob. With pad it clips around 11 or 12 o'clock. This is both for my Squier Classic Vibe 50s tele and my Harley Benton Fusion II guitars!

EDIT: It's been a while since I used a mic with the UMC204HD but I don't recall needing the Pad engaged with either my wife's spoken video streaming or my poor attempts at singing.

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:36 pm
by Wonks
Arpangel wrote:I notice the UMC204 has buttons for line, instrument and guitar, I get the impression that the mic amps are just padded down line inputs?

It will be the other way round, the line inputs are padded down and fed into the mic preamp. There are almost no very low-cost AIs (<£130 region) where the line input has separate circuitry from the mic pre. You need to spend a fair bit more for that.

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:28 am
by Arpangel
I'm wondering about doing away with Midi, that opens up a few more choices, this is really bad, I'm becoming such a penny pincher, my partner said I'm "stoooopid" we could both be dead soon, just get the best one there is....

:(

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:34 am
by garrettendi
That's not stupid at all! The money you save could be invested elsewhere, like a new synth or guitar! :thumbup:

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:41 am
by Arpangel
garrettendi wrote:That's not stupid at all! The money you save could be invested elsewhere, like a new synth or guitar! :thumbup:

Yes, something that actually makes noise!
If I got a UAD or an RME or whatever, I'd be sitting there thinking "hmm? It's got two inputs like the Behringer, and it's got two outputs like the Behringer, and like the Behringer you can monitor your sound and adjust levels etc, and, unlike the Berlinger, I haven't got Midi, what a swizz, and I paid fifteen times more for it.

:D

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:49 am
by The Elf
A penny too far, I'd say. Those MIDI ports will be there when you need 'em. If you *do* need them and they're not there...

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:07 am
by Arpangel
The Elf wrote:A penny too far, I'd say. Those MIDI ports will be there when you need 'em. If you *do* need them and they're not there...

You're right Elf, the trouble with USB controller keyboards without Midi sockets is that if you've got external sound modules you have to go through your DAW if you want to play them, that's always a pain.

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:23 pm
by Arpangel
I bought a Behringer UC204, so job done.

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:41 am
by garrettendi
The 204 or the 204HD? Hope you enjoy!

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:23 am
by ef37a
Arpangel wrote:I bought a Behringer UC204, so job done.

Shame but then I hope it works well for you.
BTW, since SOS have never reviewed the whale **** Behrry boxes I would really like to know how they fair regarding latency with software sounds? AFAIK they don't have their own ASIO drivers.

Regarding padded down mic amps as line input? This excercises many people on forums. Their concerns tend to be...

1) The mic pre will add its own 'colour' to the sound. BS IMHO. Most mic amps are just a couple of discrete transistors and one or two OP amp sections, nothing there to modify the sound (and the Great SOS Mic Amp Shoot Out largely confirms that most mic pres do NOT have 'a sound')

2) The line input so derived will be noisier than a dedicated stage. No reason why this should be so if the job is done right and in anycase, the standard balanced line ins on the vast majority of AI and mixers are not THAT low noise anyway.

Enjoy.

Dave.

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:30 am
by Arpangel
ef37a wrote:
Arpangel wrote:I bought a Behringer UC204, so job done.

Shame but then I hope it works well for you.
BTW, since SOS have never reviewed the whale **** Behrry boxes I would really like to know how they fair regarding latency with software sounds? AFAIK they don't have their own ASIO drivers.

Regarding padded down mic amps as line input? This excercises many people on forums. Their concerns tend to be...

1) The mic pre will add its own 'colour' to the sound. BS IMHO. Most mic amps are just a couple of discrete transistors and one or two OP amp sections, nothing there to modify the sound (and the Great SOS Mic Amp Shoot Out largely confirms that most mic pres do NOT have 'a sound')

2) The line input so derived will be noisier than a dedicated stage. No reason why this should be so if the job is done right and in anycase, the standard balanced line ins on the vast majority of AI and mixers are not THAT low noise anyway.

Enjoy.

Dave.

It should be fine, it's a UC204HD.
I'm never going to use the mic inputs, the line inputs will be fed from a small Mackie mixer that will be used for direct monitoring from a couple of hardware synths, so latency isn't going to be a problem, apart from that it'll be used to edit in Reaper, and play back music from YouTube in the house.

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:41 am
by ef37a
Arpangel wrote:
ef37a wrote:
Arpangel wrote:I bought a Behringer UC204, so job done.

Shame but then I hope it works well for you.
BTW, since SOS have never reviewed the whale **** Behrry boxes I would really like to know how they fair regarding latency with software sounds? AFAIK they don't have their own ASIO drivers.

Regarding padded down mic amps as line input? This excercises many people on forums. Their concerns tend to be...

1) The mic pre will add its own 'colour' to the sound. BS IMHO. Most mic amps are just a couple of discrete transistors and one or two OP amp sections, nothing there to modify the sound (and the Great SOS Mic Amp Shoot Out largely confirms that most mic pres do NOT have 'a sound')

2) The line input so derived will be noisier than a dedicated stage. No reason why this should be so if the job is done right and in anycase, the standard balanced line ins on the vast majority of AI and mixers are not THAT low noise anyway.

Enjoy.

Dave.

It should be fine, it's a UC204HD.
I'm never going to use the mic inputs, the line inputs will be fed from a small Mackie mixer that will be used for direct monitoring from a couple of hardware synths, so latency isn't going to be a problem, apart from that it'll be used to edit in Reaper, and play back music from YouTube in the house.

Ah! You misunderstand me. I WANT to know about the latency and since SOS has not run a ruler over them so far I am asking where I can.
I would like you see to get my son a modest AI. I want cheap becuse he is a flakey, itinerate musician in northern France and fekkin' LOOSES things! But he has been spoiled you see running a keyboard controller into an M-A 2496 using Cubase Ess6 and that was only just acceptable to him for latency.

I could buy the KA6 Mkll but they have dropped the basic Cubase bundle, silly asses. Then it would be a loss if it went astray.

Dave.

Re: Cheap 2 channel interface for Windows 10?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 9:56 am
by Arpangel
ef37a wrote:Ah! You misunderstand me. I WANT to know about the latency and since SOS has not run a ruler over them so far I am asking where I can.
I would like you see to get my son a modest AI. I want cheap becuse he is a flakey, itinerate musician in northern France and fekkin' LOOSES things! But he has been spoiled you see running a keyboard controller into an M-A 2496 using Cubase Ess6 and that was only just acceptable to him for latency.

I could buy the KA6 Mkll but they have dropped the basic Cubase bundle, silly asses. Then it would be a loss if it went astray.

Dave.

Don't worry Dave! I'll post a report as soon as it arrives, I'm away at the moment, but I'll be back at the weekend.
I can test it with soft synths if you like, I don't do much live overdubbing but I suppose I could do a loop-back test.