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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby sound bites » Sat May 15, 2021 1:46 pm

Arpangel wrote:...I know it’s difficult making recommendations, but any suggestions as to the right ball-park would be helpful, I need it to be good quality when needed, most of my stuff is low-fi, but I need the flexibility to be clean when I need it.

You might want to try an Audio Technica 4080 active ribbon mic.

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/au ... 080-at4081
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby manwilde » Sat May 15, 2021 5:23 pm

I´d just like to say that the quest for the right vocal mic is real fun and really worth it. I´ve been doing quite a bit of testing myself lately, and had an epiphany just a couple of weeks ago when I tried my Golden Age active ribbon mic: with my voice, in my room, and for most of the music that I make, it´s just right. No eq, just a tad of compression and voilà!,
So, as it´s been said here many times, the best choice is not necessarilly the most expensive, or a LDC.
By the way, other mics that I tried were EV RE-20 & 635a, Roswell Mini K-47, Sennheiser e-835, Oktava Mk012 (omni, cardioid, hyper), and some others. All good mics FWIW, but there you go.
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Airfix » Sat May 15, 2021 5:30 pm

Ribbons are sweet - they have a 'neutrally' slow response - that sharp attack - you would not notice with a ribbon - sweet mics. They are not like LDCs - which are open and honest - I have an old se2200 which is is fantastic
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby manwilde » Sat May 15, 2021 5:35 pm

Yes. To me, it "just sounds like a record", and that´s a marvellous feeling! :D
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Mike Stranks » Sat May 15, 2021 6:02 pm

The current NT1 is a very different beast to it's earlier incarnation and very markedly different to the NT1a. Why Rode willingly engendered the understandable confusion is beyond me... maybe that's why it's a bit of a 'sleeper'... I'd have one back in my mic box in a heart-beat if I was in the market for an LDC.

This is the NT1 to which I refer:

http://en.rode.com/microphones/nt1

Mind you, if I had the need and the dosh, I'd after one of these:

http://en.rode.com/microphones/ntr
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Wonks » Sat May 15, 2021 7:34 pm

Because it’s only been sold as a bundle, albeit a very worthwhile bundle, it does move the package out of most people’s ‘my first mic’ price bracket. And as a second or third mic, you may not want all the bundled extras, which again makes it less attractive for a lot of people.

No idea why it’s not sold on its own.
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Arpangel » Sun May 16, 2021 7:38 am

Tim Gillett wrote:
Kwackman wrote:
Tim Gillett wrote:
Arpangel wrote:Yesterday I tried a Beyer M201, it wasn’t bad, it had a very intimate, breathy, sound, that picked up all my mouth noises ...my voice is very quiet, breathy, and I like to be close to the mic...

A quiet voice can seem breathy, have prominent mouth noises, sometimes overly sibilant simply because the meat in the voice is weak in comparison. If so this is not a mic issue but voice.

You quoted Tony, but missed an important bit out- he's not complaining about his voice quality...

Arpangel wrote:Yesterday I tried a Beyer M201, it wasn’t bad, it had a very intimate, breathy, sound, that picked up all my mouth noises, which is what I’m after

Kwackman, Hugh says Tony already has, apparently, an MKH40 and asks why he doesnt try that. I second that.

I few months back I posted here about the MKH40, just didn’t work for me, I don’t like singing into small mic's, or mic's that seem to be fragile and pop at the drop of a hat, I did use a shied with the 40 by the way, and it still popped. The 201 sounds much better on my voice and pops less than the 40, but I do find I hold back, and get all hesitant with small mic's I think a ribbon may be bad too, close-up, not good for the ribbon I guess.
Budget? Not sure, trouble with this situation is that it’s difficult to try mic's out, and there are so many! If you make a mistake with a cheap one it’s not that bad but if you’re spending thousands that’s bad, not that I want to.
The cheap option would be to stick with the 201 and get around the gain problem, I’m using it through a channel on my A&H MixWizard, I haven’t tried it with my main preamp which I think will be a lot better, it has a lot more gain, I’ll try that today, it’s been hiding away and I found it last night, see how that goes.
The expensive option I’m thinking, may be an AKG 414, I like that mic, on tracks that have used it, it seems to have a bright sound, not sure.
Enya? MKH40? I would never have thought that, I’d like to know how she used it.
My vocals are half spoken, I wouldn’t call it singing as such, the nearest I get to that is a cross between a drunken Laurie Anderson Tom Waits, on a bad day,
I am content with my voice, it’s not anything really, it does the job, so I’m not after looking to improve it.
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby sound bites » Sun May 16, 2021 8:26 am

My bottom line:
just stick with the 201 and get a booster. It’s my prefered alternative to the more frequently suggested SM57/SM7 for that kind of situation...
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Arpangel » Sun May 16, 2021 8:39 am

sound bites wrote:My bottom line:
just stick with the 201 and get a booster. It’s my prefered alternative to the more frequently suggested SM57/SM7 for that kind of situation...

Seems to be, yes, I’ll try it today with another preamp, the A&H is a great line mixer, but as usual, on a lot of mixers, the mic amps aren’t anything to write home about, a bit noisy, with quite bad gain bunching, they only give me a usable range when turned up full, with a 201.
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby blinddrew » Sun May 16, 2021 10:43 am

If you have hang ups about singing into a small mic, stick a big mic up as well and sing into that.
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Arpangel » Sun May 16, 2021 11:29 am

blinddrew wrote:If you have hang ups about singing into a small mic, stick a big mic up as well and sing into that.

I don’t have a big mic!

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I wish I’d had enough money to buy my friends Marconi/BBC ribbons off him they’d have been perfect as a dummy mic!

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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun May 16, 2021 11:37 am

Arpangel wrote:...the A&H is a great line mixer, but as usual, on a lot of mixers, the mic amps aren’t anything to write home about, a bit noisy, with quite bad gain bunching, they only give me a usable range when turned up full, with a 201.

Gain bunching is almost inevitable with preamps using continuous gain pots, and the more gain on offer, the more bunching there tends to be.

But I wouldn't have said the mixwizard preamps are noisy at all. In comparison to many low-cost consoles I'd say they were pretty good. The spec claims -127dB which is better than many 'classic' preamps that people get all moist and gooey about!

In my experience, most claims that 'these preamps are noisy' come from poor mic technique and noisy environments, rather than noisy electronics.
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby James Perrett » Sun May 16, 2021 1:50 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:But I wouldn't have said the mixwizard preamps are noisy at all. In comparison to many low-cost consoles I'd say they were pretty good. The spec claims -127dB which is better than many 'classic' preamps that people get all moist and gooey about!

I'd have to agree with Hugh on this - the preamps in my A&H desk are very similar to those in the Mixwizard and preamp noise has never been a problem. I have a very quiet vocal booth where microphone noise from the old style U87 is probably the biggest noise source I encounter.
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Arpangel » Mon May 17, 2021 7:42 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
Arpangel wrote:...the A&H is a great line mixer, but as usual, on a lot of mixers, the mic amps aren’t anything to write home about, a bit noisy, with quite bad gain bunching, they only give me a usable range when turned up full, with a 201.

Gain bunching is almost inevitable with preamps using continuous gain pots, and the more gain on offer, the more bunching there tends to be.

But I wouldn't have said the mixwizard preamps are noisy at all. In comparison to many low-cost consoles I'd say they were pretty good. The spec claims -127dB which is better than many 'classic' preamps that people get all moist and gooey about!

In my experience, most claims that 'these preamps are noisy' come from poor mic technique and noisy environments, rather than noisy electronics.

You’re right, there is a fridge in the basement, and it’s so quiet, you can’t hear it normally with your ears, but because I was using so much gain, the mic was amplifying it, and producing a buzzing, humming sound.
I tried the Skeet preamp, and it was the same, but there was definitely no gain bunching!
More than enough gain for the 201 at a setting of 12 o’clock, I’m going to stick with this, I just need a good pop shield, just in case, and I just have to turn the fridge off when recording.
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Re: Large diaphragm mic for vocals.

Postby Aled Hughes » Mon May 17, 2021 8:21 am

Airfix wrote:Ribbons are sweet - they have a 'neutrally' slow response - that sharp attack - you would not notice with a ribbon - sweet mics. They are not like LDCs - which are open and honest - I have an old se2200 which is is fantastic

Ribbons have a very fast transient response due to the very low mass of the ribbon element. Much faster than moving coil dynamic mics.

Yes, they also have a subdued top end, but that’s not tied in with the transient respone.
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