GilesAnt wrote:Arpangel wrote:I never thought that the first note I wrote on that paper would turn into a 2 minute piano piece, or a 40 minute epic, each note builds on what went before, and sometimes things unfold we would never have predicted.
He is planning to write something in sonata form, classical in scale if not in style. This does need some thinking about in my view. The interplay of subjects, their development, harmonic tension etc. will all need at least some outline design. Sonata form looks simple at one level, but many composers have grappled with this, not always successfully. The form isn't intended as a straightjacket, but a model that can help the composer.
For smaller pieces where no specific form or architecture is envisaged then a bar by bar approach may of course yield excellent results - but that's not his aim (as I understand it from his posts).
From my readings, many of the great composers did indeed work with a vision in mind. Schubert, Mozart and others would carry more or less completed works in their head, and just needed time to write them down. Others would sweat and toil so the music matched their vision. Similarly Wagner could have hardly tackled his operas on a bar by bar basis.
The equivalent might be of an architect who sketches out a building without getting too involved in the details at the start. If he just piles one brick on top of the other with no plan it is unlikely that he will get good results.
Having a crack at something on a classical scale is brave, and I wish Ben all the best. I'm sure he will have fun having a go, even if all else fails.
Fair enough, but I think that’s a lot to do with why I left the classical world, all its rules and regulations. I understand all about working to a discipline, and it’s produced some of the greatest music of all time, but I got seduced by Cage and Roxy Music, and I never returned.