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Re: Putting together a Vintage Stereo system

Postby Tim Gillett » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:02 pm

Thanks Wonks, interesting. I suspect for some guitarists there remains the belief that for an electric guitar to sound 'authentic' it must first pass through a dedicated loudspeaker stage, and that at best even the modellers are only attempting to replicate this sound. Enter the Isocab?
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Re: Putting together a Vintage Stereo system

Postby AlecSp » Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:46 pm

Tim Gillett wrote:Isocabs. Interesting. Is this normal practice at large gigs nowadays?
Extremely, especially in rock circles. Along with, as Wonks points out, modelling systems like Kemper/Helix which are increasingly common all the way down to smaller, even pub, bands.

Tim Gillett wrote:What is it about the sound that you get from running the bass guitar to a speaker and mic, and then to the FOH or monitor inputs? What do you gain and what do you lose?
With bass, again especially with rock, you gain the amp distortion, along with the cab distortion/compression. It's the same reason that many live acts would usually have a DI and mic feed or bass, to mix to taste. While you gain sound quality/options, you have more kit to hump & occupy more floor space - not a problem for a large act, but much more so for a smaller act.

O course, these days, a well programmed modelling amp can be so good that there's no need for even isocab speakers. Then again, if you're a big rock act, you can add micd cabs even if it's no more than an affectation. I think Muse typically have guitar just through Kemper with no speakers other than when feedback is required, at which point the monitor engineer turns up the send to the appropriate on-stage cab.

Like most of us, I'm sure, I've seen an evolution with the acts I engineer (in a 350 cap venue). 10 years ago, pretty much all of them were a traditional setup, and happy with a 4 way stage monitor setup Increasingly now, there's a move to using in-ears and using modelled/DI'd guitar/bass. Makes me happy as an engineer - far less stage bleed, no "ripping your face off" guitar, musicians much happier with their monitoring, and a far better FOH sound.
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Re: Putting together a Vintage Stereo system

Postby mikehende » Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:50 pm

Hey guys. after frantically searching the net for a while now, I have finally tracked down what I think might be the model Series of the speakers I had back in the early 80s, please see the attached pics. This is the 10" version from 1982, I had the 15" and would like to get them back.

Can you guys help me track down the 15" version's model number please?

https://i.postimg.cc/qv14Q5Qd/pioneer-2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/hjdnDPnS/pioneer-4.jpg
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Re: Putting together a Vintage Stereo system

Postby forumuser931182 » Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:39 pm

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Re: Putting together a Vintage Stereo system

Postby forumuser931182 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 2:50 am

I think you may be a slim chance finding these. Seiko speakers using Pioneer components. Only things kept from this era would be high quality ( expensive ) stereo components. You will have to try asking on retro hifi forums or dealers.
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Re: Putting together a Vintage Stereo system

Postby Mike Stranks » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:22 am

You're in the wrong place really on two counts:

1) This forum isn't the best place to ask about specialist hi-fi stuff;

2) Even if you do ask the questions here, then the 'Live Sound' sub-forum isn't the right place for them... you'd probably be better off in 'Musicians' Lounge'. (Some of us only visit the sub-forums of specific interest... so I never visit 'Guitars' or 'Keyboards' f'r instance. If you're not into Live Sound why would you come here? :) )
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