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Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Forum Admin » Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:46 am

Vote for what you consider to be the 'best mastered' version of this track
The WAV files are available on SOS DVD003 included with the MARCH 2006 issue.
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby James Perrett » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:53 pm

I've just gone out and bought the mag so I could hear these tracks. I'm not sure that I would vote on this because I'm not sure that one is necessarily better than the others but one thing sprang to my mind while reading the article about this track. Rather than asking for a vocal up mix I would have asked for a guitar down mix - to my ears the guitar was drowning out everything else.

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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby JayH » Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:42 pm

SORRY: You have already voted in this Poll.


sorry...I haven't... Image
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby alanofoz » Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:25 am

How does an online only subscriber obtain this DVD?

I assume it's not available for subscribers to download?
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby neilwight » Mon Feb 20, 2006 4:42 am

perhaps the irony of an online mastering test not being available to online only subscribers has yet to filter through....

given the file size it appears that a physical purchase is the only way to get hold of these.
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Sam Inglis » Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:05 pm

James Perrett wrote:I've just gone out and bought the mag so I could hear these tracks. I'm not sure that I would vote on this because I'm not sure that one is necessarily better than the others but one thing sprang to my mind while reading the article about this track. Rather than asking for a vocal up mix I would have asked for a guitar down mix - to my ears the guitar was drowning out everything else.

The guitar is mixed loud, but that was what sounded right to me. I did experiment with both guitar and vocal levels at the mix, and the guitar down version just didn't work for me. I was also happy with the vocal level -- otherwise I'd have mixed it louder. I only mentioned the vocal level in the article because Hugh and Dave said they thought it was low.

So I like the balance the way it is, but I do realise that it is quite an, erm, uncompromising mix -- which is why I thought this track would present an interesting challenge for the mastering engineers.
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby E D » Sat Feb 25, 2006 5:53 pm

It wouldn't let me vote either ("Sorry I have already voted")

I'm going for number 2... Loud, fat, polished. 'nuff said.
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby pilker » Sat Feb 25, 2006 6:26 pm

I'm going to either number 5 or 6.I think it's 6 really.
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Forum Admin » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:14 pm

JayH wrote:SORRY: You have already voted in this Poll.


sorry...I haven't... Image

Hmm... odd one. We had this problem at the SOS office when testing the polls, and because the UBB software checks IP numbers, anyone behind a firewall say at university or large office complex etc that has a shared web connection/IP regrettably is prevented from voting if someone else has already voted using that IP address.

We've asked our technical guru to look into this anomoly.

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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Mono Mono » Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:21 am

I've got a question...There is a bass guitar right? In virtually all the masters, the bass sounds flaccid, same goes for the kick drum. Is this the artistic intent? i.e. english frenzied country-rock doesn't like big booty? tight booty? In this case the booty is so flat you could make pancakes on it.

how about SOS readers versions?

I'll vote when my girlfriend's out of the house so i can really crank it up...

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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby AustinJohn » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:26 pm

It also said I'd voted which I hadn't. My choice is #2.
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Guy Johnson » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:40 pm

I voted for 2.

I Found the bass and Kick missing a bit in the original, and too much woodgey guitar.
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Landman » Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:47 pm

Difficult mix to work on, IMHO. The low end is undefined (bass?? bassdrum??). Hard to correct in mastering. (remix?)

The lead vocal is rather uneven. Boosting/compressing the singers frequencies helps, but often distorts (master 2 & 6).

I voted for 1, because it sounded most natural and warm. Tough I doubted for choosing master 2 (aggressive sound with the singer more present).


(posted this one before wrongly in 'the resistance'- baltic fleet)
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Mike Senior » Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:25 pm

Just seen the poll results, and I think I'm in danger of laughing my arse off!
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby p.dakin » Wed Mar 15, 2006 3:26 pm

makes you wonder doesn't it!
Congratulations Sam!
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Decanibass » Wed Mar 15, 2006 5:04 pm

Has the voting finished now? Just got around to listening to the WAV files, so I've left it a bit late, as I see the next issue is out tomorrow :ooo:

Anyway, I'd go for 5, which I'd hazard to guess was mastered by Simon Heyworth. As the article noted, this had the best bass sound, but I felt it needed more top end. Something out of the upper bass range (160 or so..) would probably both tighten up the bass a little and add a bit air to the mix.

I felt this version was also the one to best hide the distortion in the final chorus, which the over-compressed 2 and 6 unfortunately highlighted. I have to say that this is the sort of track that I hate having to work on, because nothing is going to make it sound good...

Sam's comments regarding his original mix (being what he wanted) is a good example of why a ME's comments can be so helpful; if everyone else thinks the vocals are too low, then maybe they are :D That was my first reaction too - if the mastering had been attended and I'd been the ME, then I would have fought to get him to see sense! In the end, though, the customer is right (or paying the bill...)
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby MBSound » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:33 pm

My vote goes to nr.2 Ancient History, as with the other masterings of the other numbers i've listen too, I think this one has the most 'breath' in the low end and still a clear and polished mid and high spectrum, with a nice wide stereo-image.
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Hughxxxx » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:29 pm

I am being technically challenged here - got the mag etc but were is the Resources Section that I am being directed to .!!!!**
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Hughxxxx » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:33 pm

Found it now !
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Re: Vote SOS ON-LINE MASTERING Blind Test : Morning People

Postby Tubefreak » Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:17 pm

I have to listen closer for a real opinion. But what I notice mostly is the "mono" capability of track 1, 5 and 6.

There is a major shift in the placement of the guitar in the whole stereo mix between those tracks and the original. Don't know if I like it more or less because of it.

2 is by far the loudest track, but for me it lacks dynamics.

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