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bare bones interface with emphasis on converters?

PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:15 pm
by whoateallthechips
For my purposes, Ableton plugins are fine. I don't need to run something like UAD plugs on an Apollo. Is there a bare bones two-channel interface with quality converters? Want to spend my money on the converters, and not all the bells and whistles like the Apollo.
Running 2015 MacBook Pro.
Thanks in advance.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:27 pm
by Hugh Robjohns

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:50 pm
by fatbenelton
Apogee Ensemble 24.....not as good as the above Lyra but superb for the money with tight integration with Logic in terms of controlling preamp and direct monitoring.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:00 am
by fatbenelton
fatbenelton wrote:Apogee Ensemble 24.....not as good as the above Lyra but superb for the money with tight integration with Logic in terms of controlling preamp and direct monitoring.

Sorry, I meant the ELEMENT 24!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:35 am
by forumuser840717
Sonosax SX-M2D2
Merging Technologies Anubis
RME ADI-2 FS
RME ADI-2 Pro FS
RME ADI-2 Pro FS R Black Edition

Or, for a lot more i/o and flexibility perhaps try a Merging Technologies Hapi It has it's issues but the sound quality of the Merging kit (or the Sonosax) is about as good as it gets at the moment.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:38 am
by whoateallthechips
fatbenelton wrote:
fatbenelton wrote:Apogee Ensemble 24.....not as good as the above Lyra but superb for the money with tight integration with Logic in terms of controlling preamp and direct monitoring.

Sorry, I meant the ELEMENT 24!

Would the Element's converters be noticeably better than the Apollo Twin?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:04 pm
by fatbenelton
Perhaps but more realistically on a par or not noticeably better in most circumstances. To be fair the apollo are supposed to be very good.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:16 pm
by Bob Bickerton
whoateallthechips wrote:For my purposes, Ableton plugins are fine. I don't need to run something like UAD plugs on an Apollo. Is there a bare bones two-channel interface with quality converters? Want to spend my money on the converters, and not all the bells and whistles like the Apollo.
Running 2015 MacBook Pro.
Thanks in advance.

Nothing wrong with aspiring to the best converters provided absolutely everything else in your recording chain is top notch and you have fantastic monitoring in a professionally designed acoustic space - otherwise - most decent gear, including Apollo, will have converters that you are unlikely to be able to differentiate from top end converters costing many times more.

Bob

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:57 pm
by whoateallthechips
Bob Bickerton wrote:
whoateallthechips wrote:For my purposes, Ableton plugins are fine. I don't need to run something like UAD plugs on an Apollo. Is there a bare bones two-channel interface with quality converters? Want to spend my money on the converters, and not all the bells and whistles like the Apollo.
Running 2015 MacBook Pro.
Thanks in advance.

Nothing wrong with aspiring to the best converters provided absolutely everything else in your recording chain is top notch and you have fantastic monitoring in a professionally designed acoustic space - otherwise - most decent gear, including Apollo, will have converters that you are unlikely to be able to differentiate from top end converters costing many times more.

Bob

I’m still trudging through the learning curve on converters and signal chain. Presuming decent mic and room treatment, which do you think would be most biggest improvement:
1. Run a 500 series (looking at Neve 511 or API 512c) preamp into my existing Scarlett 2i2 at line level (not true bypass, but brings down the color of the internal pre a bit).
2. Apollo Twin. Its preamps are supposed to be better than the 2i2, and I believe you can completely bypass its internal preamps if using an external pre.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:36 pm
by James Perrett
whoateallthechips wrote:Presuming decent mic and room treatment,

You mean you have a bunch of vintage Neumanns and AKG's at your disposal? ;)

Performance is the most important part of any recording with acoustics second and mic choice third. Mic preamps and convertors come well down the list of priorities. If you are recording yourself then the question to ask is what is getting in the way of you giving a great performance? Yes, an unreliable interface which drops out regularly might be a factor but the interface sound quality is unlikely to be an issue.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:45 am
by Bob Bickerton
Quite!

Bob

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:01 am
by Tim Gillett
Perhaps you could explain the reasons for wanting a very high end converter. Is the converter the current weak link? In what area(s)?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:10 pm
by CS70
Remember that the “interface” is simply the part that translates the digit audio signal into an usb (or thunderbolt or whatever computer-based protocol) data stream.

The average interface offers pre amplification and AD conversion but it’s only a useful packaging, not mandatory.

So if you want the best possible conversion, it may pay off to use a separate box and simply connect it to any interface which accepts the digits audio protocol produced by that box.

That said, I very much subscribe to what others have said, the couple meaningful bits that you can squeeze from top converted with respect to your run of the mill ones aren’t likely to make a huge difference unless you work In a top space and a very good chain.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:02 pm
by Watchmaker
From personal experience, the Apollo is a distinct class above the Scarlett, so is the Clarett for that matter, both in terms of "quality" of the sound, and - at least for the Apollo - in the richness of the feature set.

Plus the Scarlett ain't got no street cred.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:08 pm
by whoateallthechips
Watchmaker wrote:From personal experience, the Apollo is a distinct class above the Scarlett, so is the Clarett for that matter, both in terms of "quality" of the sound, and - at least for the Apollo - in the richness of the feature set.

Plus the Scarlett ain't got no street cred.
Interesting how post above yours says higher end converters don’t make much difference.