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Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:22 pm
by mammy
Hi guys.When we mix a song in a computer .what are the advantages or disadvantages ?
When we mix in an analog mixer what are the adv. and disadvatages ? Is it necessary to mix with analog console to catch the sound that we want ? When we mix in computer what do I lose ? I know eveyone says analog mixer is better .Why ? Quality ? Which type of quality ? Sound quality ?Saturation ? But computer mixing is quality too.What are the main difererences between them ?

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:25 pm
by The Elf
mammy wrote:I know eveyone says analog mixer is better
They don't!

Wizard's first rule...

mammy wrote:When we mix in an analog mixer what are the adv. and disadvatages ?
The 'advantages' include familiarity (at least for boomers), hands-on controllability, and the distortion created by passing audio through electrical components.

The 'disadvantages' include lack of recallability, lack of flexibility and the distortion created by passing audio through electrical components.

mammy wrote:When we mix in computer what do I lose ?
Nothing.

mammy wrote:Is it necessary to mix with analog console to catch the sound that we want ?
No.

mammy wrote:What are the main difererences between them ?
It's just personal preference. Which gets the sound YOU prefer?

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:44 pm
by blinddrew
You've forgotten one small thing as well Mr Elf: cost! :)

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2020 4:23 pm
by Dub til you drop
It's funny - many people who claim that mixing on analogue gear is better have never actually done it much. There's a whole industry flogging gear based on emotion and nostalgia.

Using SSLs and Studers back in the day was a great experience. But people don't appreciate that when you work in analogue there's a ton of setting up and lining up to do - every day. It's such a PITA.

When DAWs came out it was a game changer. You just pressed the ON switch, went off and made a tea, and all was good to go when you returned.

Later at the BBC, my group of sound balancers did double-blind testing of the latest 44.1k/16bit system, verses a Neve/Otari combination. We could all tell a difference, but the vote was split as to which sounded better. And that's why Digital took over. It wasn't necessarily better or worse sounding, but it was so much more practical to use. We could get more work done in a day.

And now I wouldn't wan't to go back to analogue mixing. For me It isn't the magical experience that some people make it out to be.

If you want to try it, go ahead it's a hoot. But don't be thinking it's something you should do. It really isn't.

Just my 2p.....

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 3:36 pm
by Martin Walker
Hi Dub til you drop, and welcome to the SOS Forums! 8-)

With helpful and informative posts like that you'll soon make a lot of friends here ;)


Martin

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2020 5:25 pm
by The Elf
Couldn't agree more, Mr Dub.

But you can't tell people, especially those who weren't there first time around. Analogue mixers and tape are somehow 'cool', despite what those of us who had to live through it may think.

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 8:48 am
by Mike Stranks
An old codger writes...

Sitting here in my 'cupboard' that I laughingly call a studio I have more facilities and qulaity effects at my disposal in my DAW than I could ever have dreamt of back in the day. Apart from anything else I don't have the room in here for a decent analogue desk, at least one tape-machine and a rack full of effects.

Yesterday afternoon in a couple of hours I did some work that would have taken me upwards of two days back then.

It's possible that those who favour analogue are simply finding that because you have to pay more care and attention because of the time and effort involved, it's that planning and set-up that's resulting in 'better' results... not the gear itself.

Elf and Dub are spot on... like me, they've been there... would I go back - NEVER!!!

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 9:28 am
by blinddrew
Mike Stranks wrote:I t's possible that those who favour analogue are simply finding that because you have to pay more care and attention because of the time and effort involved, it's that planning and set-up that's resulting in 'better' results... not the gear itself.
Very good point Mike (as usual!) :)
I remember, when i first started recording with a 4-track cassette, having to write out quite detailed part plans. I could get one bounce in and still have reasonable quality so I had seven tracks to play with. Which meant each part had to really pay for itself or it got dropped.
Nowadays i can just add a bit here, cut a bit there, make an ok take from a couple of dodgy ones etc.
I'm definitely more slack about the composition and performance side, and as a result i push more work into the editing/mixing/production side.

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 2:46 pm
by James Perrett
I tried going back a couple of years ago. It was interesting. Firstly there was the effort to prepare for the session - buying the tape (even 1/2" tape is £80 per reel) and wiring in all the old effects so that I had access to more than just one reverb on mixdown. I even went to the trouble of getting the spring reverb working in case they refused to use any digital effects.

The recording went reasonably well and the artists fortunately understood that you can't just cut and paste the best chorus over all of them with analogue.

Mixing was a little more fraught - partly because things didn't seem to be working and then it was down to being very fussy with changing levels and effects through the song. One song took me half a dozen goes before I got it right.

Would I do it again? Yes - as a one off provided the client was prepared to accept the limitations and not expect something that could better be done digitally.

Fore those that do Facebook there's a video of the session at https://www.facebook.com/lucasandking/v ... 579534973/

Re: Hybrid or Analog Mixing (How do they effect to your music ?)

PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2020 8:11 pm
by CS70
mammy wrote:Hi guys.When we mix a song in a computer .what are the advantages or disadvantages ?
When we mix in an analog mixer what are the adv. and disadvatages ? Is it necessary to mix with analog console to catch the sound that we want ? When we mix in computer what do I lose ? I know eveyone says analog mixer is better .Why ? Quality ? Which type of quality ? Sound quality ?Saturation ? But computer mixing is quality too.What are the main difererences between them ?

The advantage of a desk are the haptics, but you have to learn: two-hands fader moves are a little like playing an instrument - and sometimes you need to play four hands. :)

All the rest can be emulated in a digital setup in a way that is indistinguishable from the actual analogue setup, if you so want - mainly sound, but also workflow and processing.
Of course doing that implies knowing how the analogue setup works, and knowing how to emulate it properly.

Perhaps the biggest disadvantage of digital is that it is so easy to take the first step and get to something, that way too many do not understand that there's a lot of steps after that to get to something good.