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A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby ramthelinefeed » Fri Jun 28, 2013 1:38 pm

Right, so now that I finally have a Surface Pro... TouchOSC is only out for iOS and Android :blush:

I refuse to even look at the crapware that is Miller Puckette's PureData (well, that's not strictly true, I tried to look at it the other day, but the website was down :roll: which makes me strongly suspect it's no more stable than it was when I wasted weeks of my life trying to use in on SGI IRIX in 1998...)

I just want a nice touch-optimised GUI set of widgets that I can programme to send various MIDI messages, that will run on that hugely obscure and little used operating system, Windows. Any suggestions?
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby robinv » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:26 pm

Yep - Emulator Pro by SmithsonMartin - http://www.smithsonmartin.com - it's a beautiful piece of software that keeps on getting better and better. I included a review of it in my multi-touch video - http://youtu.be/4G4jIpdTuhY
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby ramthelinefeed » Fri Jun 28, 2013 3:59 pm

ah just the ticket, thanks :)

(Although their webshop keeps giving 404-errors! Can't get the staff, I expect)
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby OneWorld » Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:07 am

That Lenovo 27" thing looks the answer to a lot of prayers - loaded with for example Kontakt/Komplete, Reason, Cubase/Sonar etc what more could a person want, be great if it had a dual output for a second monitor, there I go, wanting more already!
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby ramthelinefeed » Sat Mar 29, 2014 11:53 am

SOrry to bump this thread,
but I was looking into this again.

I am trying to find out what the MIDI capabilities of 'Emulator Pro' are.
Downloading the user guide, it makes no mention of SysEx - it just shows examples of assigning MIDI CC's to the widgets.
I tried to look on their help forum, but if won't let you view the forum unless you register, and you can't register without a software serial number.

Can anyone who uses Emulator Pro enlighten me?
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby robinv » Mon Mar 31, 2014 2:02 pm

At the moment I've not been able to get on their website for weeks - not really sure what's going on there, so I can't get to the documentation or forum either. But looking at the interface all you get is MIDI numbers, so that's 0-127 I guess. Can't see any mention of sysex or anything. I did try to talk to them about Mackie control and such like which you'd think would include more indepth sysex type stuff but I couldn't get any sense out of them. There has been some changes with templates and stuff but every time I think to go and find out the website appears to be down.
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby ramthelinefeed » Mon Mar 31, 2014 3:39 pm

Well, sadly I think we can pretty much write this one off then, as it's clearly all gone Pete Tong.


Are there any other Windows applications which allow you to build touch sensitive widget sets that support arbitrary MIDI messages?
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby robinv » Mon Mar 31, 2014 5:01 pm

Aha - no - it was something wrong with my Hosts file that old SmithsonMartin redirects in it - all fixed now. It's still the best thing out there for touch control on Windows imho :)
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby ramthelinefeed » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:01 am

robinv wrote:Aha - no - it was something wrong with my Hosts file that old SmithsonMartin redirects in it - all fixed now. It's still the best thing out there for touch control on Windows imho :)

Robin, with all due respect, if it can only send continuous controllers and not SysEx, it is barely a "thing" at all. It's just a complete non-starter.
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for

Postby robinv » Tue Apr 01, 2014 1:37 pm

feline1 wrote:

Robin, with all due respect, if it can only send continuous controllers and not SysEx, it is barely a "thing" at all. It's just a complete non-starter.

Really? I can't think of any MIDI controller I have that sends anything other than controller data - sysex would usually be something I stick at the front of a sequencer or send via MidiOX. But if that's what you need then I guess you need to keep on looking. I didn't think TouchOSC did sysex either.... I think I must be out of touch of what the kids need these days :)
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for

Postby DGL. » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:40 pm

robinv wrote:
feline1 wrote:

Robin, with all due respect, if it can only send continuous controllers and not SysEx, it is barely a "thing" at all. It's just a complete non-starter.

Really? I can't think of any MIDI controller I have that sends anything other than controller data - sysex would usually be something I stick at the front of a sequencer or send via MidiOX. But if that's what you need then I guess you need to keep on looking. I didn't think TouchOSC did sysex either.... I think I must be out of touch of what the kids need these days :)

even the Behringer BCR/BCF supports sysex so it's not like it's unreasonable to expect it
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby robinv » Tue Apr 01, 2014 4:46 pm

An update for you - i was able to have a conversation with SmithsonMartin development and they say they don't plan to support sysex as it would require a whole re-write of their MIDI engine. They say only a handful of people have asked about it whereas they've had loads of requests for OSC support which is something they are working on.

I guess my only thought would be to run it through MIDI Translator or MIDI OX and route it to another program to deal with SysEx commands.... or something like that but i don't really know what i'm talking about and i'm not sure i'm being very helpful.
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby Gerhard Westphalen » Tue Apr 01, 2014 10:13 pm

I use Emulator Pro in my studio for a Hans Zimmer style control surface and it works great. It does freeze from time to time (maybe once every 2 weeks) but I keep it running 24/7.
I would say that it does lack some features like SysEx. The only things right now that it lacks for me is the ability to flip the xy pad. I use it for surround pan but the front back is reversed. You can rotate it but then left and right would be reversed.
TouchOSC is also pretty good if you get and iOS or Android but I haven't been able to use it in my studio because my computer has multiple network connections and I think the software doesn't look in the right network connection for the TouchOSC signal.

I have no idea how difficult this would be to do but what about making your own? I don't know anything about programming but maybe it would be possible to make something like Mark Wherry did for Hans Zimmer.
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for

Postby ramthelinefeed » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:35 am

robinv wrote:
feline1 wrote:

Robin, with all due respect, if it can only send continuous controllers and not SysEx, it is barely a "thing" at all. It's just a complete non-starter.

Really? I can't think of any MIDI controller I have that sends anything other than controller data - sysex would usually be something I stick at the front of a sequencer or send via MidiOX. But if that's what you need then I guess you need to keep on looking. I didn't think TouchOSC did sysex either.... I think I must be out of touch of what the kids need these days :)

My Kenton Control Freak could send any MIDI byte sequence that was in the MIDI spec.
There's plenty of hardware devices and software where more obscure parameters respond only to SysEx sequences (typically with a couple of data bytes in the middle of the SysEx string - so for instance your Slider or Knob is configured to always send the big SysEx string but with those data bytes replaced by the current fader position)
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Re: A Windows-equivalent for Hexler's TouchOSC

Postby ramthelinefeed » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:20 am

Can I be so bold as to bump this thread from years ago to ask, with all the dignity I can muster:
Are there any Windows applications which allow you to build touch sensitive widget sets that support arbitrary MIDI messages?
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