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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Helmutcrab » Mon Aug 19, 2013 8:31 pm

Hi All,

So after a while i realised i left the camera charger in the bag i left on the plane !

Got 18 panels up and fixed in place and arranged drums in room. I did some preliminary recordings and also listened at the drum area whilst playing the drums. Its not ideal where drums are but is the only way they can go ( see first diagram of room on first page of thread to see where they sit ).

I am now making a final nine 6" frames. These are as follows : 3 ceiling panels for drums, and one ceiling panel over the mix position, 4 floor panels around where the drums sit close to walls to tighten things up a little more and one either above the floor panels at the side wall or at side wall of mixing position depending on which needs it most.

I will hopefully get camera working again soon and get some photos up of the work done.

Thefruitfarmer,

I have a question please. I was trying to further lighten my frame design for ceiling placement. The timber yard had in 15mm dressed timber but when i checked the staples i use (140 series) are 11mm wide, so thats just too tight to fit the chicken wire. You mentioned before that you make frames using 12mm width wood. I am just wondering how you staple the chicken wire to the long sides of this ( where the staples need to go across the width of the wood ) please ?

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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby thefruitfarmer » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:02 am

Helmutcrab wrote:

Thefruitfarmer,

I have a question please. I was trying to further lighten my frame design for ceiling placement. The timber yard had in 15mm dressed timber but when i checked the staples i use (140 series) are 11mm wide, so thats just too tight to fit the chicken wire. You mentioned before that you make frames using 12mm width wood. I am just wondering how you staple the chicken wire to the long sides of this ( where the staples need to go across the width of the wood ) please ?

Cheers


It still works if you staple parallel to the long edge..

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So long as you give the chick wire some tension you will be okay.
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Helmutcrab » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:07 pm

Ah of course. Didn't think of that. Thanks thefruitfarmer.

Unfortunately my order went through really quick at timber yard so i am stuck with 20mm for all 9 remaining panels. Still 5mm would't have made a huge difference but every little helps when your working above head. If i am to make any more panels in future i would certainly make them a bit thinner and lighter as these frames are pretty heavy.

Thanks again.

Peter
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Helmutcrab » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:32 pm

Hi All,

Thought i better update this, as its been a while, but its a boring bit of news really. I never got the rest of the photos up but got the room closer to being finished and then took ill last august and am still ill now unfortunately so i was unable to finish the room and have not been able to use it :frown:

Mostly finished all the panels except the 5 ceiling panels - only made the frames for these. There are about 30 panels in total i think.

Can't see how i can actually get the room done now unfortunately, with it being D.I.Y. My dad could have helped but i am physically unable to do anything really. I suppose i would have to employ someone. Think i will just have to wait to see if i get any better as i would not be able to use the room anyway really in my current state.

Being ill is really boring and annoying. Will just have to carry on doing rough demos in bedroom for now.

All the best,

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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Sat Jun 14, 2014 11:23 am

AS a quick update for readers of this thread….



The room is now done.




Someone had to rescue Peter and his dream


so I did.
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby zenguitar » Sat Jun 14, 2014 12:04 pm

Well done that man, I'll raise my glass to you tonight SSG,

Andy :beamup:
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby thefruitfarmer » Sat Jun 14, 2014 3:23 pm

Hurrah for the Gnome.
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Sun Jun 15, 2014 5:03 pm

Work involved….

finishing all the outstanding panels,

making 4 double sided diffusion/absorption Gobos, (from scratch with MDF and timber facings on the reflective side…. not just buying in skylines and gluing them on…. )

building a cloud , with lighting, and getting it hung centrally and flat in a room which makes such things "difficult"

fitting all the new panels,

correctly repositioning and re-fitting some of the old panels,


cutting and fitting mineral wool in-filling behind corner traps to make "super chunk" style devices….

and delivering a heap of advice and guidance for future progress in using the room…..

My only really sniffy complaints about the whole project are the choice of "cost effective" coarse hessian / sack cloth as a covering material (except the cloud, for which i donated enough Cara of suitable colour to do a proper job) .and some of the misinterpreted application of misinformation about paper facings and positioning…. the internet has a lot to answer for sometimes…. ss

Acoustically it works fine, but it is FUGLY , i mean, seriously, seriously horrid, proper nasty, …… and it's not fire rated….. it is also much MUCH harder to work with to achieve my usual high standards of fit and finish on panels……

it tears easily, it does not stretch a lot in 2 dimensions, is much harder to tension, it punctures easily on sharp corners…. and it frays easily…. so staple fixings need to be frequent and hammered home to be sure….


and…. it's not THAT much cheaper ….. especially when you realise, that for a single 1240x640x150 panel, you have to use about 1.6metres of hessian for a "front & sides only" covering…. and only 950mm of Cara,

the difference is due to the fabric roll width….. Cara comes in a 1.7m wide roll, so can accommodate the entire panel length across the width of the fabric….. the Sackcloth is only about a metre or so wide…. so you must use the length of the panel, along the length of the fabric….



Total time to complete…. 4 days . + 1 day travel (to be fair, it's nigh on 300 miles each way )

to keep costs down , Stayed with "helmut" and family , charming hosts, and very glad i could bring this project to completion and allow the man to get on and actually make music in it instead of stressing about how the hell he'd get it finished….
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Folderol » Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:18 pm

Really impressed with this. Well done that man. I'll raise a glass to you too 8-)
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Helmutcrab » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:01 pm

A huge thank you goes to SSG for all the hard work, dedication, patience and knowledge he showed to complete my studio. It was amazing that he was able to finish it all in less than a week. His professional knowledge of studio builds, acoustics and anything audio related was astounding and I am truly grateful to him indeed, plus he is an awesome lad to boot !!!

I went into the room on the night that it was finished and thought 'OMG i have a studio !'. Considering it was 5 years ago that i started this, that was a pretty profound moment for me.

In all honesty i don't think I would have ever been able to finish it without him and certainly not anywhere near to the same level, both acoustically and fit and finish wise.

The Cara fabric is a real improvement over the potato sack hessian. Once SSG fit the Cara he kindly donated to me i realised it would have been great to use it for everything - and you can choose your colours instead of only potato sack brown and the small price difference is more than worth it. I should have listened to James who recommended it earlier on but i miscalculated how much i would have needed and hence the price.

Of course you need to know how to fit fabric to make it look really good - something i was not able to do myself ( unlike SSG ) so please keep that in mind when looking at the pictures that i get up in the coming weeks.

I only wish i had contacted him before i had even spoke to the planner about building the room. Having a really good professional involved from the start would have avoided a lot of mistakes, stress and a huge amount of time. Definitely something to think about for the future.

Now where is that camera usb lead....
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Studio Support Gnome » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:32 pm

just in case , it might be worth noting that most cameras either use std micro usb, or std mini usb



commonly available for about a quid in most £1 stores.

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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Helmutcrab » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:27 am

Thanks again SSG, i'll keep that in mind.

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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby James Perrett » Mon Jun 16, 2014 10:16 am

Helmutcrab wrote:
The Cara fabric is a real improvement over the potato sack hessian. Once SSG fit the Cara he kindly donated to me i realised it would have been great to use it for everything - and you can choose your colours instead of only potato sack brown and the small price difference is more than worth it. I should have listened to James who recommended it earlier on but i miscalculated how much i would have needed and hence the price.

Of course you need to know how to fit fabric to make it look really good - something i was not able to do myself ( unlike SSG ) so please keep that in mind when looking at the pictures that i get up in the coming weeks.

Cara is so easy to work with even I can make it look acceptable!

It is also worth checking the Ebay price rather than the RRP as it makes a big difference. Like you, I was thinking of using coloured hessian for my build but it was hardly any cheaper than the Ebay price for Cara.
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby mellowsouls » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:17 am

Any chance of seeing how it turned out Helmutcrab?
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Re: DIY Studio Build Diary

Postby Eddy Deegan » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:39 pm

Studio Support Gnome wrote:
Someone had to rescue Peter and his dream


so I did.
That's once of the nicest things I've ever read on the Internet :lol:
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