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Re: Getting music heard when unable to gig, ideas, labels etc. ?

Postby Robodelfy » Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:06 pm

Hi Blindandrew

yeah sorry I didnt really mean songwriters who wrote for others. As much as it could be enjoyable and make money if you can find your way in, it would never really satisfy my need to create my own songs. I think its a very hard game to get into if you want to make any money. I think I would struggle to write songs for current pop acts for instance as the music is so horrendous, but the style I music I write is not really suited to writing for others.

When you start looking online and at labels, its quite overwhelming just the sheer amount of artists. Its hard to hear anything that sounds different or interesting! I know there must be good stuff, but I think the mind frame the internet can put you in whilst browsing means you cant really listen to something properly, like I used to when I was younger, pre internet!!

So I imagine my music will be listened to in much the same way!
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Re: Getting music heard when unable to gig, ideas, labels etc. ?

Postby Terrible.dee » Thu Jul 13, 2017 10:13 pm

The whole "Make music for YOU" thing is total B.S

You make music to CONNECT with people, if your music is being heard only by you, then it's a waste, don't let anyone tell you any different.

I've been signed quite a few times over the course of my career, 2 Majors 2 Major indies and a whole bunch of labels you may or may not have heard of depending on your scene, I've only ever gotten deals one way.....someone has to WANT you signed, whether it makes sense or not....and it usually doesn't, but in order to get that you need to find a way to put yourself out there.

Personally, I think the social media thing is a bit of a waste of time...."Oh look a band on social media....how original" you're just running with the pack on that front unless you have top level social media numbers you'll never be on the same level as those who do...so why be second best at anything?

Youtube, however, gives you the opportunist to do something unique, special, what that is, is up to YOU to come up with, you can get pretty creative here, belive me.

One key thing, that I've always known, that others who haven't had any success never seem to realize is this: This is the ENTERTAINMENT Biz, if you are going to entertain with songs alone those better be some pretty F'ing good songs. You see, at the end of the day what matters is this: Are you entertaining people? If it's about YOU and YOUR music, good luck.....YOU will probably be the only one listening to it. But if you realize your job is to entertain, however it is you do that and understand that it's about THEM NOT YOU, you might have a fighting chance.

The problem in this biz is that everyone is trying to whore out, but when someone takes a look at them all they want to do is j*ck off, a good hooker understands that if the client doesn't get off, they aren't going to be very successful

So let me ask you this: Would you pick yourself up off a street corner? (To keep the analogy going) if not, better go invest in some skimpy tops and stiletto boots (figuratively speaking) Your original question was how to promote? There is no such thing as promotion if you put together an entertaining product (It can be anything so long as it does something for someone OTHER than you) and put it out there........people will find it and "Promote" it for you.

I'm not saying this applies to you (Only you know if it does) but the problem many aspiring artists have, isn't the lack of "Promotion" they often complain about, it's the fact that they are producing a self-indulgent product that sucks.
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Re: Getting music heard when unable to gig, ideas, labels etc. ?

Postby zenguitar » Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:23 am

Have you considered library music? One sector where you don't need to go out and perform but requires music that connects with people.

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Re: Getting music heard when unable to gig, ideas, labels etc. ?

Postby blinddrew » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:46 am

zenguitar wrote:Have you considered library music? One sector where you don't need to go out and perform but requires music that connects with people.

Andy :beamup:
I've always assumed that library music was for instrumental stuff - tunes rather than songs - is that not necessarily the case?
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Re: Getting music heard when unable to gig, ideas, labels etc. ?

Postby Robodelfy » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:53 am

Terrible Dee

I definitely agree with a lot of what you say. I do love making music for me, but there comes a point when you feel the need to share it, and feel that it's good enough to be shared.

I hate social media in general, and I don't even have a personal Facebook account. I agree that spending hours each day trying to increase your social network is a bit of a wasted effort. Does anybody really take notice of random people who make posts or friend them? I wouldn't.

I guess this is where I felt a label would be ideal, even a small one, as they can reach a lot of people who are into that style of music with little hassle, and people will listen if they trust the label.

The one point I slightly disagree on is being an entertainer. Some people are not in it to entertain, even though maybe that is an inevitable by product of making good music. I'm thinking people like Elliot Smith or Mark Linkous for example, there are many more. Maybe you mean that even if the person doesn't want to be an 'entertainer' their music is for entertainment? But I don't listen to music to be entertained, I listen to try and feel understood or to understand, and to feel something. I guess 'entertained' sounds so trivial!!!

But yes, youtube I think might be a better platform than many others, if you can create the content to make it worthwhile.

I think you should consider using a different analogy than a good hooker in the future!!
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