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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:25 pm

John Willett wrote:Actually I LIKE the clamp on the MD 421.

I knew somebody must! ;-)

It locks in...

...and most struggle to figure out how to release it!

if the mic. is hand-held there are no protruding bits.

There aren't on any other handheld mic either. ;-)

It's a much more elegant solution than having a big fat traditional type of clip...

I get what they were trying to do, but the fact that no other manufacturer adopted a similar idea suggests it wasn't really that elegant or practical...

...that would not hold the mic. safely when pointing downwards (eg: for a saxophone).

I've used lots of other mics on saxophones, and can't think of any that have fallen out of their clip! I take the point in principle, but I've never found it a sufficient problem to make me wish every mic had a 421-style clip! Quite the reverse in fact...

I like the design very much.

That balances my loathing of it nicely, then! :-D
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby John Willett » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:19 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:[
...and most struggle to figure out how to release it!

Really? I'm very surprised ???

The first time I used it (back in the 1970s) I found it very easy to clip in and remove.

Removing is a doddle - press the button with your thumb and slide the mic. up with your fingers.

I got it instinctively the first time I used it and thought it a great idea then.

But - remember - this was invented in the days before Hytrel and mic clips were stiff plastic and did not grip the mic. at all. So - when it was invented - it was actually an excellent way of securely holding a mic.

The original clip for the MD 441 also had a sliding button to hold the mic. in so it would not fall out when pointing down.

When Hytrel came along manufacturers redesigned their clips with Hytrel so they hold the mic. tight at any angle. Shure redesigned all their clips and I do not think that any are now supplied with the hard plastic clip that were supplied when they first came out - horrible clips that did not hold the mic. firmly enough and could scratch the mic. with use.

Nowadays mics come with Hytrel clips - even the MD 441 now has a Hytrel clip. It was only the design of the MD 421 that made a large Hytrel clip a bit unsightly (though I think one is available now).

When it was invented, the 421 clip was actually an excellent idea and certainly worked very well originally - but the original 421 clips were made of metal and were better than the modern ones made of plastic.
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Wonks » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:23 am

I find it all too easy to knock the clip button on my 421s and the mic fall downwards when they've been set up for miking toms.
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby ore_terra » Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:41 am

It looks like there’s a market for NOS or reissue MD421 metal clips :lol:
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Wonks » Tue Sep 25, 2018 12:30 pm

Or a better locking version.
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby twotoedsloth » Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:13 pm

The Rycote Invision mount works great with the MD421. In fact, it is probably superior to the stock mount as it is not as prone to vibration and you can use the mount on other microphones if you're not using the 421.
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Wonks » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:17 pm

I do have 4 Invision mounts.
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:20 pm

:thumbup: :clap: :D
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby John Willett » Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:00 pm

Wonks wrote:I do have 4 Invision mounts.

Only 4 ? ;)
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Sam Inglis » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:26 pm

I like the InVision mounts, but the best one I have is one that came with an obscure Pearl stereo mic. The part that attaches to the stand has a ball-and-socket mount that lets you instantly point the mic in almost any direction and lock it securely in that position. I don't think I've ever seen another one quite like it.
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Humble Bee » Tue Sep 25, 2018 8:58 pm

K&M (who else?) makes an accessory that does just that. It goes between a normal mic clip and the stand and has a lockable ball joint. :thumbup:

K&M 19695-300

Doesn't save you from a crap mic clip tho...
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Sam Inglis » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:13 pm

Of course they would! Neat. Does it rotate in any direction or just up and down within the slot?
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Humble Bee » Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:03 pm

They are a bit limited to the slot direction but they add a good bit of flexibility to the setup... the ball part spins freely tho. I think it was €15 and well worth the money.
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Bob Bickerton » Wed Sep 26, 2018 3:24 am

And if you’re looking for excellent mic stands and accessories, it’s hard to beat Triad Orbit http://www.triad-orbit.com - absolutely astounding quality and a price to go with it.

I took the plunge and have been well pleased, but I’m poorer for it!

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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby The Elf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:24 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:... the MD421 is a great mic ruined by a stupid clamp that annoys and frustrates me every time I use it! :-)
+99!
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:36 am

Yay! Nice to know I'm not alone... and welcome back! Been busy organising Synth tables? :-)
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:37 am

Bob Bickerton wrote:And if you’re looking for excellent mic stands and accessories, it’s hard to beat Triad Orbit

Absolutely -- properly engineered to do exactly what they're supposed to and last a lifetime. I am really, really impressed with them.... but they do cost as much as something that's very expensive... :D

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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby The Elf » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:47 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Yay! Nice to know I'm not alone... and welcome back! Been busy organising Synth tables? :-)
Been away teaching our ex-colonial friends what prog rock is really about (and how to pronounce 'aluminium'!) :lol:

In return I have a cowboy hat and a new habit of looking for rattlesnakes as I walk. Both will go down well in Sheffield town centre.
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Sep 26, 2018 10:55 am

:bouncy:
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Re: Must have microphones?

Postby cloverfield » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:56 am

any microphone u guys will recommend that can use for not just my saxophone but for my singing too? (when i am not playing saxo)

i have a few brands but i am not sure what is the best.
preferably on amazon? lol but pls let me know if there are decent website selling good stuff
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