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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Mike Stranks » Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:31 pm

Same message if I try and go in thru a Google search...

But it's confirmed that SoundLink sell Gefell mics...
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby blinddrew » Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:56 pm

Sounds like an expired security certificate or similar.
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby John Willett » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:53 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:Just clinked on John's 'SoundLink' link and got this message:

"Your connection is not secure

The owner of sound-link.co.uk has configured their web site improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this web site.

Learn more…

Report errors like this to help Mozilla identify and block malicious sites"


Over to you Mr W....

The site is fully secure and fully safe - it's just that the certificate ran out a day or two ago and my webman has not renewed it yet.

I'll give him a kick.
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby shxdohmusic » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:27 am

I think I'll go with the TLM102 :clap: .. I'll give Neumann the chance to win me over with their entry level mic that specifically designed to do so and hope they succeed :o . that way I can start stacking my pennies up for a u67 or u87 if I like it.

I've never tried a neumann in my life, only ever requested SE microphones for vocals because thats what I came up on. now that I have SE's dual valve beast though I'm looking for new manufactures to collect from and experiment with. In contrast to my SE2200 and my SE GEMINI, I'll be able to tell if the 102 is a good vocal mic or not straight away :lol: If not i suppose I'll return for a 103 and try start there...

Now I just need to decide what colour I should get between silver and black :( why don't they ever make anything simple? :lol:
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby zenguitar » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:38 am

The colour choice is simple...

Silver for studio, black for broadcast.

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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Watchmaker » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:40 am

Black is for "bitchin" here in the States. Silver is for "Soul Food" I have a silver, but the black is just cool man
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Mike Stranks » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:43 am

zenguitar wrote:The colour choice is simple...

Silver for studio, black for broadcast.

Andy :beamup:

Yup! :thumbup:

Although I take it a stage further.... the vast majority of my work these days is location work with an audience present. I do get more than occasional comments about 'obtrusive equipment' and light reflecting from shiny surfaces. It's got to the point where I won't usually consider a mic that isn't black.

But hopefully the OP doesn't have to consider keeping fractious audiences happy! :)
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Sam Spoons » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:29 am

You must have the patience of a saint Mike :headbang:
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Mixedup » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:33 am

zenguitar wrote:The colour choice is simple...

Silver for studio, black for broadcast.

...but always gold for gangsta rap, of course. :headbang:
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:29 pm

zenguitar wrote:The colour choice is simple...

Silver for studio, black for broadcast.

Andy :beamup:

This reminds me of a scarily true story!

A great many moons ago I was asked to provide a long week of TV Sound training to a course run by the Arab States Broadcast Union in Damascus, Syria, in my role as 'the man from the BBC'. There are many entertaining and frightening things I could tell about that particular trip, but the relevant one here is that towards the end of the week, after many lectures via an interpreter covering all the theory about mics and mic usage, I was to run two practical studio music recording exercises to pull everything together, one on the Thursday afternoon, and another on the Friday morning.

I was expecting things to work as would be normal for a BBC training session, with the course delegates selecting and rigging mics, stands, cables, etc before taking it in turns with the live music mixing, building on their theoretical knowledge, and with me guiding, advising, and supervising as necessary.

The console was a nice (and barely used) Neve, so no worries there, (although the speakers were the wrong way around so the pan-pots worked backwards!), and the studio's mic cupboard contained everything -- and I do mean everything -- that AKG made (but nothing else at all!) so we had a decent range of mic options.

So, the local band comes in and sets up. We collectively have a listen and then a chat about how best to cover everything -- but instead of the delegates then getting stuck in, they all stood back. I was perplexed and asked my interpreter why they weren't rigging the mics as I'd asked? He told me that these were 'sound balancers' and they never ventured to the studio floor or handled microphones -- they had underlings for all that as it was beneath them!

Slightly taken aback, but wary of the time constraints, I had no choice but to rig everything single-handed, but I took care to explain what I was doing and why as they watched. We then all go into the control room and they take it in turns to mix. Everyone seems to be happy when they leave at lunchtime.

The following morning, different band but same basic situation... so, forewarned this time, after listening to the first rehearsal I set to rigging everything and we all trundle into the control room. Everything goes well, and at the end of the session I sum up the whole week's training, thank them for their attention, and ask if there are any final questions?

One of the delegates pipes up, in English, and says: "Mister Rabjaani, yesterday you used black microphones for the vocals and silver on the instruments, but today you used only silver microphones on the vocals and black on the instruments. Please explain?!"

Astonished and perplexed, I dived into a lengthy explanation about polar patterns and dynamics versus capacitor mics and why I'd chosen those specific mics for their particular properties for each individual situation -- basically recapping the entire week's worth of training.

To which he replied, "Yes, I understand Mister Rabjaani... but why the silver mics today?"

Utterly frustrated at wasting a week of my time in a somewhat inhospitable and isolated location, I felt I was left with no option: so with the straightest face I could muster I replied, "You're quite right: you should always use silver mics for vocals, and black ones for everything else; it's just that I wasn't very familiar with your microphone collection yesterday, so we made do!"

And as I looked around the room, every single one of the delegates was writing notes in their handbooks: "Silver mics for vocals"...

Completely true story! I really couldn't want to get placed on the plane home that evening by the Secret Police and given my passport back! And it was such a relief to be offered a G&T by a nice man in grey flannels on the British Airways 737!

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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Ariosto » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:29 pm

My wife always wants me to use my black mics for recording her piano, as she says it matches her black piano ...
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Sam Spoons » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:30 pm

Clearly colour matched mics will sound better :D
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:34 pm

And silver mics always sound brighter... :beamup:
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby forumuser840717 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:44 pm

Ariosto wrote:My wife always wants me to use my black mics for recording her piano, as she says it matches her black piano ...

That's easily fixed with a big can of silver spray paint. :beamup:
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Re: Neumann TLM102 or TLM103?

Postby Ariosto » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:01 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:And silver mics always sound brighter... :beamup:
But it doesn't always have a silver lining ... then you have to swallow the (silver) bullet ...
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