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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby scw » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:20 am

Thanks for the reassurance Drew! :thumbup:
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby OneWorld » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:04 pm

Mixedup wrote:Wonder if the NHS have moved on from XP since that cyber attack... I bet they went for 7 :headbang: :beamup:

I cannot claim this is a global, but during my time in the public sector - a lot of IT experts were hired not because of their IT knowledge but whether they could quote from Das Kaptital and prove their allegiance to political correctitude.

I went through a full 30 minutes interview where I was interrogated on my knowledge of diversity, my soft skills, problem solving (eg there's a fire what do I do, a) tell everyone to log off, collect their belongings etc, b) phone their family to tell them they love them c) blame the tories) and I had to do a presentation on any subject I liked but not my IT skills as the interviewers were HR people and not IT people.

During the whole interview I was not asked one single question about my IT knowledge/skills apart from "Are you familiar with MS Office?" although my main responsibility was coding. I was told don't bother, the interviewers don't have a clue regarding coding.
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby OneWorld » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:08 pm

scw wrote:
OneWorld wrote:
James Perrett wrote:
scw wrote:I plan to upgrade rather than clean install.

Most of the reports of problems have been from people who have upgraded. Clean installs seem more reliable. I've used an ancient MOTU MIDI interface on Windows 10 with no problems but haven't tried my M-Audio 2x2 midi interface.

ironically I had an old Steinberg Midex 8x8 and it's spot on!
That's interesting . I think I have an old Midex lying around. I could never get it to work well with W7!

Did you download the latest driver - it is not a WIn10 driver from the Steinberg site, but if memory serves me right it is Win7/64, it is some years since I downloaded and installed, haven't needed to look at it since it was installed - it just worked. Only a tiny file, has its own installer and goes on with a minute or so.
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby Matt Houghton » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:28 pm

OneWorld wrote:
Mixedup wrote:Wonder if the NHS have moved on from XP since that cyber attack... I bet they went for 7 :headbang: :beamup:

I cannot claim this is a global, but during my time in the public sector - a lot of IT experts were hired not because of their IT knowledge but whether they could quote from Das Kaptital and prove their allegiance to political correctitude.

I went through a full 30 minutes interview where I was interrogated on my knowledge of diversity, my soft skills, problem solving (eg there's a fire what do I do, a) tell everyone to log off, collect their belongings etc, b) phone their family to tell them they love them c) blame the tories) and I had to do a presentation on any subject I liked but not my IT skills as the interviewers were HR people and not IT people.

During the whole interview I was not asked one single question about my IT knowledge/skills apart from "Are you familiar with MS Office?" although my main responsibility was coding. I was told don't bother, the interviewers don't have a clue regarding coding.

That's funny... during *my* time in the public sector I encountered an awful lot of IT professionals who clearly had no idea about diversity or 'soft skills'; if what you say is true, I can only conclude that successful applicants were drawn out of a hat :lol:
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby CS70 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:32 pm

Matt Houghton wrote:That's funny... during *my* time in the public sector I encountered an awful lot of IT professionals who clearly had no idea about diversity or 'soft skills'; if what you say is true, I can only conclude that successful applicants were drawn out of a hat :lol:

Indeed, and very often nowadays there's separate interview stages for checking different types of skills.

That said, the very idea of "interview" is very overrated. Tests are much better predictors of actual performance (can't be bothered with sources but there's a host of very good ones a google search away). But of course it goes the idea that a single person can magically understand another one in half an hour or so.. :D
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby ef37a » Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:55 pm

The revelation that interviews in gvmt posts are done by HR personell and do not include tests by the person's peers is frightening and perhaps is an answer as to why the country is run by 'king idiots?

In my service career I have been quizzed intenesly about circuit operations and had to sit a written exam for Rumbelows! (serves me right) . I have also been asked on several occasions to put faults on pieces of equipment for the candidate to attempt to find. (ever tried to "blow up" a 2W MF resistor so it don't show? Tricky!)

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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby The Elf » Mon Mar 18, 2019 5:08 pm

scw wrote:I've put off changing my DAW PC to W10 for fear of running into problems with the DAW and the other installed software like NI Komplete etc. I've got so much stuff on it that I couldn't face a disaster.
I've upgraded multiple PCs, audio and otherwise, to Win10. No problems to speak of, beyond having to download a few newer drivers.

Don't do ANYTHING until you have a reliable (i.e. check it!) image copy of your system drive!
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby OneWorld » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:37 pm

ef37a wrote:The revelation that interviews in gvmt posts are done by HR personell and do not include tests by the person's peers is frightening and perhaps is an answer as to why the country is run by 'king idiots?

In my service career I have been quizzed intenesly about circuit operations and had to sit a written exam for Rumbelows! (serves me right) . I have also been asked on several occasions to put faults on pieces of equipment for the candidate to attempt to find. (ever tried to "blow up" a 2W MF resistor so it don't show? Tricky!)

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The name Diane Flabbot springs to mind -

"now how much will 30,000 extra police officers cost?"

"Erm, .......erm.........erm.........£300,000"

"Sure about that? You're going to pay them £10.00 each?"

"Erm no....erm.....erm.....erm........£5,000,000.....yep"

"Sure?

"Erm.......erm.......erm......."£10,000,000"

"You don't know do you?"

"Erm.......erm......erm.....well of course I don't have the exact figures in front of me yet"

Classic! The gift that keeps on giving.
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby OneWorld » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:39 pm

The Elf wrote:
Don't do ANYTHING until you have a reliable (i.e. check it!) image copy of your system drive!

That's for sure - measure twice cut once!
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby scw » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:33 am

The Elf wrote:Don't do ANYTHING until you have a reliable (i.e. check it!) image copy of your system drive!
Top advice Elf!
Glad to hear that you had no issues.

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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby ef37a » Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:51 am

HUGE PC numpty asking here!
How do you check an image please? I have done them for my PCs (onto external drives) but if I ran one and it did not work am I not stuffed?

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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby The Elf » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:06 am

Some backup software has a 'verify' feature, but I wouldn't trust that explicitly. Recover to a different drive and see if that works.
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby Matt Houghton » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:14 am

ef37a wrote:The revelation that interviews in gvmt posts are done by HR personell and do not include tests by the person's peers is frightening...

It's also untrue. HR professionals are there to ensure due process is carried out. Eg to guard against nepotism and to ensure that it's possible to get certain jobs without having been educated in certain schools/universtities, or belonging to specific gentlemen's clubs. They are not the ones making the decisions on the hiring and firing. Typically there'd be a panel including either a line manager and or a more senior manager. Depending on the type of job in question there'd also be tests. At least, that was my experience of the NHS, DH and Cabinet Office... though that's at least a decade and a half ago now.

Anyway, we digress...
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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby ef37a » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:00 am

Matt Houghton wrote:
ef37a wrote:The revelation that interviews in gvmt posts are done by HR personell and do not include tests by the person's peers is frightening...

It's also untrue. HR professionals are there to ensure due process is carried out. Eg to guard against nepotism and to ensure that it's possible to get certain jobs without having been educated in certain schools/universtities, or belonging to specific gentlemen's clubs. They are not the ones making the decisions on the hiring and firing. Typically there'd be a panel including either a line manager and or a more senior manager. Depending on the type of job in question there'd also be tests. At least, that was my experience of the NHS, DH and Cabinet Office... though that's at least a decade and a half ago now.

Anyway, we digress...

Ok Matt but, I am sure it happens incredibly rarely in practice but we do hear of cases of people getting quite senior medical posts in hospitals without qualifications?

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Re: Windows 7's impending death

Postby Mike Stranks » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:27 am

ef37a wrote:
Matt Houghton wrote:
ef37a wrote:The revelation that interviews in gvmt posts are done by HR personell and do not include tests by the person's peers is frightening...

It's also untrue. HR professionals are there to ensure due process is carried out. Eg to guard against nepotism and to ensure that it's possible to get certain jobs without having been educated in certain schools/universtities, or belonging to specific gentlemen's clubs. They are not the ones making the decisions on the hiring and firing. Typically there'd be a panel including either a line manager and or a more senior manager. Depending on the type of job in question there'd also be tests. At least, that was my experience of the NHS, DH and Cabinet Office... though that's at least a decade and a half ago now.

Anyway, we digress...

Ok Matt but, I am sure it happens incredibly rarely in practice but we do hear of cases of people getting quite senior medical posts in hospitals without qualifications?

Dave.

Point one: I have been part of numerous interview panels in both the NHS and other government departments - and in commercial companies. On each occasion the presence of an HR person was to ensure fair-play as Matt has described. For technical posts there were usually practical tests to ensure competence - eg 'fix this broken computer.' Later in my NHS career I was asked to travel to different parts of the country to be a member of interview panels to ensure that there was a genuine disinterested person present who didn't know anyone - including any of my fellow-interviewers.

Point two: I and colleagues were stunned when we discovered that a colleague who'd successfully been promoted to another job in another part of the country had lied about qualifications and had forged documents to boost his profile. When he was discovered after about a year it was instant dismissal and a significant jail term. This was a non-medical post. Yes; some people do slip through, but given the number of people employed it is a very very small percentage.

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