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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby The Elf » Wed Apr 17, 2019 6:17 pm

...and so it begins... again... :lol:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:25 pm

Well, G4M had VC340's in stock so I now have one n order should arrive tomorrow :bouncy:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:30 pm

I'm Still holding out for a CS-80-alike... :lol:
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby BillB » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:39 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:I'm Still holding out for a CS-80-alike... :lol:

Wouldn't surprise me if that came true in a couple of years. Seems that if they can get hold of it, they can build it.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby DGL. » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:29 pm

DGL. wrote:Well, G4M had VC340's in stock so I now have one n order should arrive tomorrow :bouncy:
Correction somehow forgot it was the easter bank holiday (despite working on a caravan site and being rushed off my feet today :headbang: ) so hopefully I should get it sometime next week :)
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Jumpeyspyder » Fri Apr 19, 2019 9:30 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:I'm Still holding out for a CS-80-alike... :lol:

Possibly!
CS-80 & JP8 are probably most wished for recreations - if I were behringer I'd clone these two last! - My guess 5 year time.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby desmond » Fri Apr 19, 2019 11:09 pm

Well, the *latest* Behinger-gate is this one:

http://cdm.link/2019/04/behringer-update-tc-helicon-hardware-ik-multimedia-products/

Bit naughty...
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ConcertinaChap » Sat Apr 20, 2019 7:56 am

The bit at the end about legal action is a good reminder that Behringer is not a philanthropic organisation.

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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby blinddrew » Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:56 am

One wonders if there have ever been any licensing discussions around any of these stories. It's something that never seems to be mentioned.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Martin Walker » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:03 pm

blinddrew wrote:One wonders if there have ever been any licensing discussions around any of these stories. It's something that never seems to be mentioned.

I read an interesting discussion the other day on another forum (shame on you Martin! :headbang: ) where several users asked why so few software plug-ins modeled on famous hardware get an official A/B demo from their developers.

Dirk Ulrich (Brainworx) admitted that in general, when they get official licenses to use the hardware name, the A/B tests tend to sound close enough that the hardware manufacturer doesn't want official comparisons published :beamup:

Of course he would say that, but I strongly suspect there's a lot of truth in his comments ;)


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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby ken long » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:28 pm

Is that 808 clone ever coming out?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby johnny h » Tue Apr 23, 2019 6:59 am

BillB wrote:
Hugh Robjohns wrote:I'm Still holding out for a CS-80-alike... :lol:

Wouldn't surprise me if that came true in a couple of years. Seems that if they can get hold of it, they can build it.
Its been done!

https://www.deckardsdream.com/

Personally .. I don't think it sounds as good as the real thing, and I question some of their design choices. The sliders are too small, and I believe it was a mistake choosing not to allow filter self oscillation for purist reasons.

As for Behringer doing a cheap CS80 copy, I'll believe it when I see it. Its a hugely complex machine inside. A totally different beast to doing some pro1 / juno ripoff.
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:03 am

johnny h wrote:Its been done!

Yes, seen it. And GR reviewed it here: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/black-corporation-deckards-dream Still very expensive though, and lacks an integrated keyboard.

As for Behringer doing a cheap CS80 copy, I'll believe it when I see it. Its a hugely complex machine inside.

Not really. It's just 16 relatively straightforward interlinked synths in a box. :D The original looks very complex when you open the lid, but most of that is because of the nature of discrete electronics, the wiring looms, and the repetition of circuitry. I owned one in the 1980s and maintained it myself. The original uses a lot of bespoke analogue ICs for the oscillators, filters, envelope generators, and so on, which would have to be re-engineered in some way... but Uli's team have shown an ability and willingness to do that already.

With SMD construction it could be made at a much more practical, size and (hopefully) attractive cost. Finding a decent poly-aftertouch keyboard would still be an issue, though.

Yes, it's a dream... but who knows?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby johnny h » Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:54 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Not really. It's just 16 relatively straightforward interlinked synths in a box. :D The original looks very complex when you open the lid, but most of that is because of the nature of discrete electronics, the wiring looms, and the repetition of circuitry. I owned one in the 1980s and maintained it myself. The original uses a lot of bespoke analogue ICs for the oscillators, filters, envelope generators, and so on, which would have to be re-engineered in some way... but Uli's team have shown an ability and willingness to do that already.
But ultimately it will be about getting 90% there for a fraction of the cost. I'm sure its perfectly easy to make it sound identical with simple patches, but I fear the weird, detuned magic of 16 discrete monosynths working together might get lost in the cost cutting process.
Yes, it's a dream... but who knows?
So I'm guessing the Deckard's Dream didn't inspire you to reach for your credit card?
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Re: the latest Behringer-gate

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:07 pm

johnny h wrote:But ultimately it will be about getting 90% there for a fraction of the cost.

:lol: Probably!

I fear the weird, detuned magic of 16 discrete monosynths working together might get lost in the cost cutting process.

Yes. A lot of the magic came from the fact that the design meant none of the oscillators, filters, VCAs, or envelopes ever tracked accurately to each other. Aligning the machine was a laborious and frustrating nightmare, and even with the most patient and precise work everything still varied over time with both temperature and physical vibration. But the delightful upside was that every note played was always slightly different, and that's what made it such an organic instrument

So I'm guessing the Deckard's Dream didn't inspire you to reach for your credit card?

No, I'm afraid not. I did seriously consider the kit form but discounted it in the end, partly for some of the reasons you identified above.

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