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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby TNGator » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:31 pm

Tim Gillett wrote:
TNGator wrote:Hey gang. Im plagued on this song with pops and crackles on various tracks. Not extremely loud but they are there. I tried Audacity and it did nothing. I know iZotope software is really good and i have one or two items of theirs. But even the RX7 elements is like $130. Anyone know of a good software fro removing unwanted pops and such? Thanks y'all.


Really to advise with more certainty we need to hear the "pops and crackles" that you are hearing. There are limits to what's possible without damaging the wanted audio. Any chance of a short sample audio?

Tim
Hi Tim. I'll see if i can put even one track maybe on soundcloud and share the link.
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby TNGator » Tue Jun 11, 2019 8:41 pm

ken long wrote:
Tim Gillett wrote:Really to advise with more certainty we need to hear the "pops and crackles" that you are hearing. There are limits to what's possible without damaging the wanted audio. Any chance of a short sample audio?

I agree with Tim. Are these pops and clicks convertor sync issues?

Any spectral editor and some elbow grease will work better than a blanket noise removal plugin.

Hi Ken. What is a spectral editor please? perhaps if i can explain more clearly. Let me go through the tracks and find exactly which ones have the crackles. Some tracks were recorded by mic such as vocals and a fender strat. Some were done by DI such as the bass. Im very careful about gain staging and dont record hot at all. In fact the level is quite low. let me see what exactly what is popping and how it was recorded. In the meantime I'll continue searching for a good software tool for this.
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby Mike Stranks » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:07 pm

This is a quick demo of what you can do with spectral editing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKTcC9bqlS0
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby TNGator » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:15 pm

Mixedup wrote:
TNGator wrote:It's just this one particular project

Use the iZotope demo? I can't recall what the limitations are, but typically you can render results from these things in one way or another.

Or if it really is just the one project, why not invite someone else to do it for you and avoid spending all that time learning to get the best results from whatever tool you purchase? :headbang:

I dont know anyone Mixed. But thats ok.. I always get great help and feedback on the SOS forum so I'll manage somehow :thumbup:
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby TNGator » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:23 pm

TNGator wrote:
Tim Gillett wrote:
TNGator wrote:Hey gang. Im plagued on this song with pops and crackles on various tracks. Not extremely loud but they are there. I tried Audacity and it did nothing. I know iZotope software is really good and i have one or two items of theirs. But even the RX7 elements is like $130. Anyone know of a good software fro removing unwanted pops and such? Thanks y'all.


Really to advise with more certainty we need to hear the "pops and crackles" that you are hearing. There are limits to what's possible without damaging the wanted audio. Any chance of a short sample audio?

Tim

Tim / Ken. I might have to run away and quit the SOS forum due to embarrassment and wasting everyone's time.. Your question re what kind of noise am i getting got me to export a track to the demo version of RX. There was no noise to be heard in RX but it was clear in my DAW. I then played a few of the tracks in Windows Media player. No sign of any clicks etc either. When i went into Cakewalks settings I saw that the number of buffers in playback was only 2 and it was grayed out. I went into windows control panel and there is a panel there for my M Audio. When i raised the latency fader and went back into the DAW it seemed to play without the pops and such. It might have been a buffer setting causing this. I'll keep testing but this is starting to look like an embarrassing goof on my part.
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby blinddrew » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:38 pm

We've all been there!
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:43 pm

Yup, even the good guys, in my case it's a daily occurrence....... :headbang:
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby Mike Stranks » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:14 pm

The tales I could tell from the last 50 years! :oops:

Just a few weeks ago I was asked to run a small sound system for a local village fete. Two radio mics and background music. Simples.

Set-up was fine and all power-lights lit up as expected. Tested mics all fine. Music feed from PC - zilch.

USB lead duff? Change lead: nothing. USB socket gone funny? Different socket: nothing. Laptop got its knickers in a twist? Full reboot: nothing.

Then I turned up the channel gain and all was well.... :oops: :headbang: :oops: :headbang:
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby BillB » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:38 pm

TNGator wrote: I'll keep testing but this is starting to look like an embarrassing goof on my part.

The important thing is that a) you found the problem and b) you shared the solution. That way we all get to learn something, including about cheaper alternatives to RX :D

Plus we get Mike’s priceless tale.

Glad you got it sorted.
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Tue Jun 11, 2019 11:42 pm

Don't think there's any need for embarrassment. We've all been caught out by cunningly hidden settings! But it does sound very likely that the clicks were indeed due to the buffer being too small to sustain glitch-free playback. Glad it was an easy fix!
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby Kwackman » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:46 am

BillB wrote:The important thing is that a) you found the problem and b) you shared the solution. That way we all get to learn something.

+1. :thumbup:
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby Mixedup » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:25 am

Cool. Problem solved at source = best possible outcome! :headbang:
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby ken long » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:09 am

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Hi Ken. What is a spectral editor please? perhaps if i can explain more clearly. Let me go through the tracks and find exactly which ones have the crackles. Some tracks were recorded by mic such as vocals and a fender strat. Some were done by DI such as the bass. Im very careful about gain staging and dont record hot at all. In fact the level is quite low. let me see what exactly what is popping and how it was recorded. In the meantime I'll continue searching for a good software tool for this.

OK - seems as though you're talking about noise in the signal rather than any clicks from syncing your convertor.

Many editors have a spectrum view that will allow you to surgically remove the clicks much like photoshop. Izotope has this but so does Wavelab and SADiE. There's also Sony's Spectral Layers etc. Not sure which is the cheapest or which one would provide you with value for money if it's a one-off repair.
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby Mixedup » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:11 pm

ken long wrote:Many editors have a spectrum view that will allow you to surgically remove the clicks much like photoshop.

Yes, there are many spectral editing tools now but they're not all created equal. I believe only CEDAR and iZotope can intelligently fill the gaps left behind by your spectral edits by interpolation, in the same way that Photoshop can when, for example, removing a telegraph pole from a pic. The others just allow you to remove/manipulate the existing data and perhaps apply crossfades with the adjacent bits
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Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby ken long » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:50 pm

Mixedup wrote:
ken long wrote:Many editors have a spectrum view that will allow you to surgically remove the clicks much like photoshop.

I believe only CEDAR and iZotope can intelligently fill the gaps left behind by your spectral edits by interpolation, in the same way that Photoshop can when, for example, removing a telegraph pole from a pic.

Well not really. Wavelab is very good at this too (I use it everyday for such tasks). And as I mentioned, Sony Spectral layers takes it a step further with the ability to reveal layers behind layers. There's quite a few options on the market now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juD6KKrM0Bs

Glad to hear it was a buffer issue. Makes it much easier to deal with ;)
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