You are here

Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

For everything after the recording stage: hardware/software and how you use it.

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby Mixedup » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:27 pm

ken long wrote:Well not really. Wavelab is very good at this too (I use it everyday for such tasks). And as I mentioned, Sony Spectral layers takes it a step further with the ability to reveal layers behind layers. There's quite a few options on the market now.

Yes, really.

For all their other strengths — which I agree are many — neither Wavelab's spectral editing nor Spectralayers generates new background sound based on analysis of the surrounding material to fill the blanks when removing unwanted noises. Nor do the various others, except RX and CEDAR's software. If they did, without CEDAR's permission, I imagine CEDAR would litigate to enforce their patent; they've done so successfully before...
User avatar
Mixedup
Jedi Poster
Posts: 4404
Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:00 am
Location: Cambridgeshire, UK

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby ken long » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:12 pm

Mixedup wrote:
ken long wrote:Well not really. Wavelab is very good at this too (I use it everyday for such tasks). And as I mentioned, Sony Spectral layers takes it a step further with the ability to reveal layers behind layers. There's quite a few options on the market now.

Yes, really.

For all their other strengths — which I agree are many — neither Wavelab's spectral editing nor Spectralayers generates new background sound based on analysis of the surrounding material to fill the blanks when removing unwanted noises. Nor do the various others, except RX and CEDAR's software. If they did, without CEDAR's permission, I imagine CEDAR would litigate to enforce their patent; they've done so successfully before...

I guess I missed the bit where you wrote "intelligently". Wavelab is probably a little behind in this respect as it's still a bit of a manual task. But you can still analyse the surrounding areas. It's just not as automatic.
User avatar
ken long
Frequent Poster (Level2)
Posts: 3355
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:00 am
Location: Somers Town
I'm All Ears.

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby TNGator » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:11 pm

All in all...there seem to be a few software packages out there that can do this sort of cleaning. Although it seems i got out of jail on this occasion, it would do no harm to have this sort of toll in the toolkit going forward. Although expensive, it seems a lot of folks here have mentioned the iZotope software (and Cedar too). As an existing iZotope user i'll touch base with them and keep an eye out for deals for existing customers.
TNGator
Regular
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:55 pm
Southern kin y'all

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby James Perrett » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:34 pm

Mixedup wrote:neither Wavelab's spectral editing nor Spectralayers generates new background sound based on analysis of the surrounding material to fill the blanks when removing unwanted noises. Nor do the various others, except RX and CEDAR's software. If they did, without CEDAR's permission, I imagine CEDAR would litigate to enforce their patent; they've done so successfully before...

Unless I'm using RX's spectral repair in the wrong way I don't see it as being particularly intelligent. If I'm removing clicks then I find Audition's 'Fix single click' to work far better than attempting the same thing in RX. If there is a transient close to the click then RX has a habit of removing the transient - even though it is outside the selected area - which sounds very odd. Unfortunately my version of Audition only repairs clicks in this way so it can't be used as a general spectral repair tool.
User avatar
James Perrett
Moderator
Posts: 8911
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:00 am
Location: The wilds of Hampshire
JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration. JRP Music Facebook Page

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby TNGator » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:31 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Don't think there's any need for embarrassment. We've all been caught out by cunningly hidden settings! But it does sound very likely that the clicks were indeed due to the buffer being too small to sustain glitch-free playback. Glad it was an easy fix!

Thanks Hugh. Nice to get friendly support even you screw up :)
TNGator
Regular
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:55 pm
Southern kin y'all

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby TNGator » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:32 pm

Mixedup wrote:Cool. Problem solved at source = best possible outcome! :headbang:
yep...hammer over the head...thats how I feel LOL :headbang:
TNGator
Regular
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:55 pm
Southern kin y'all

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby TNGator » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:36 pm

BillB wrote:
TNGator wrote: I'll keep testing but this is starting to look like an embarrassing goof on my part.

The important thing is that a) you found the problem and b) you shared the solution. That way we all get to learn something, including about cheaper alternatives to RX :D

Plus we get Mike’s priceless tale.

Glad you got it sorted.

Thanks for the support Bill. Nice to to be able make goofy mistakes and come clean and not get laughed. Some forums out get some really nasty smart remarks. Thanks again all for the tips and help :)
TNGator
Regular
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:55 pm
Southern kin y'all

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotopes RX?

Postby TNGator » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:02 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:The tales I could tell from the last 50 years! :oops:

Just a few weeks ago I was asked to run a small sound system for a local village fete. Two radio mics and background music. Simples.

Set-up was fine and all power-lights lit up as expected. Tested mics all fine. Music feed from PC - zilch.

USB lead duff? Change lead: nothing. USB socket gone funny? Different socket: nothing. Laptop got its knickers in a twist? Full reboot: nothing.

Then I turned up the channel gain and all was well.... :oops: :headbang: :oops: :headbang:
We are clearly related. Probably even take the same meds :round1: :round1:
TNGator
Regular
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:55 pm
Southern kin y'all

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby TNGator » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:06 pm

Well gang... you have all been really helpful as usual when I have a question so let me throw a must have bargain your way as a thank you. Izotope are doing about 6 or 7 elements packages for $49 . Yep..49 not 490 You get RX, Trash, Nutron, Nectar, DDLY
I already have most of them but getting RX for 50 bucks (ok Irish tax is a further 11 bucks but still). Have a look here. I jsut got mine. great deal. Ironic that earlier in this thread some suggested I hold out for one of Izotopes sales and get RX and whaddaya know. :bouncy: :bouncy: :bouncy:

https://www.izotope.com/en/products/bun ... erm=Jun+21
TNGator
Regular
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:55 pm
Southern kin y'all

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby Agharta » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:39 pm

TNGator wrote:Izotope are doing about 6 or 7 elements packages for $49 . Yep..49 not 490 You get RX, Trash, Nutron, Nectar, DDLY. I already have most of them but getting RX for 50 bucks (ok Irish tax is a further 11 bucks but still). Ironic that earlier in this thread some suggested I hold out for one of Izotopes sales and get RX and whaddaya know.

Keep in mind that for Spectral Editing you will need the Standard version or higher:
https://www.izotope.com/en/products/rep ... rison.html

One of the cheapest ways to get RX Standard is often with the Music Production Suite.
JRRShop have the upgrade from Elements (any) for ~£277 with group discount code. Sell on the included Melodyne license and you have the rest of the Suite for ~£240:

Nectar 3 | RX 7 Breath Control | Ozone 8 Advanced | Neutron 3 Advanced | RX 7 Standard | VocalSynth 2 | Insight 2
Agharta
Frequent Poster (Level2)
Posts: 3907
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 12:00 am

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby James Perrett » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:39 am

Speaking as someone who bought RX Elements, the only reason to buy it is so that you can get a good upgrade deal on the full RX. In my opinion RX Elements is missing the processes where RX really shines and isn't worth buying unless you are planning on using it to upgrade cheaply to the standard version.
User avatar
James Perrett
Moderator
Posts: 8911
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:00 am
Location: The wilds of Hampshire
JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration. JRP Music Facebook Page

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby Mike Stranks » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:14 am

I wouldn't be as categoric as James about Elements. I bought it and have stayed with it - not upgraded. I find the Voice Denoiser useful for quick-fixes and use Declip on over-enthusiastic recordings sent to me by others. But I'm only occasionally doing anything that needs lots of 'fixing'

But if I was doing lots of serious restoration or rescue work then I'd upgrade in a trice...
Mike Stranks
Jedi Poster
Posts: 6979
Joined: Fri Jan 03, 2003 1:00 am

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby TNGator » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:39 am

Mike Stranks wrote:I wouldn't be as categoric as James about Elements. I bought it and have stayed with it - not upgraded. I find the Voice Denoiser useful for quick-fixes and use Declip on over-enthusiastic recordings sent to me by others. But I'm only occasionally doing anything that needs lots of 'fixing'

But if I was doing lots of serious restoration or rescue work then I'd upgrade in a trice...

Good point. Im no expert at all but this project was the only that caused me such problems and it turned out to be a rookie goof on my part. Im just saying that for less than 50 bucks I think this is a killer deal for whats being thrown in. Trash2 alone is worth well over 100 for what it can do. :clap:
TNGator
Regular
Posts: 192
Joined: Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:55 pm
Southern kin y'all

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby James Perrett » Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:47 pm

Maybe I should add that I already own an old version of Adobe Audition which works better for me than the processes included in RX Elements. Audition's de-clicker does less damage to the original audio (RX loses too much detail) and its de-clipper is as good as RX's. RX wins out with its spectral de-noise, spectral repair (very versatile) and de-crackle. All of the winners are only available in the standard edition.
User avatar
James Perrett
Moderator
Posts: 8911
Joined: Mon Sep 10, 2001 12:00 am
Location: The wilds of Hampshire
JRP Music - Audio Mastering and Restoration. JRP Music Facebook Page

Re: Anything cheaper than iZotope's RX?

Postby blinddrew » Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:31 pm

Mike Stranks wrote:I wouldn't be as categoric as James about Elements. I bought it and have stayed with it - not upgraded. I find the Voice Denoiser useful for quick-fixes and use Declip on over-enthusiastic recordings sent to me by others. But I'm only occasionally doing anything that needs lots of 'fixing'.
I'm in the same boat with the video stuff I do at work. Voice Denoiser does a great job of getting rif of air-con hum, background traffic noise etc, but also is suprisingly good a taming obvious room reverb.
But again, I'm only looking for a light tidy up, and I'm not shooting for broadcast quality! :)
User avatar
blinddrew
Jedi Poster
Posts: 9579
Joined: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:00 am
Location: York
Ignore the post count, I have no idea what I'm doing...

PreviousNext