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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby hobbyist » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:36 am

Eddy Deegan wrote:
Eddy Deegan wrote:Two questions:

  • Why do you think Windows 10 audio is a problem specifically?
  • Why do you think it's worse than Win8 or XP?

hobbyist wrote:I had them both. The results speak for themselves. They are both bad. Win 10 was worse. Cant say if they improved win10 or not as I dont use that box.

Your blanket assertion that Windows XP was bad and Windows 10 is worse is based on the fact that your PC didn't work with them well, and thus your recommended solution to any audio based problem is 'stop using Windows because its audio is bad'?

Really? :roll:

I said that XP was rock solid.
Win 8 was barely okay.
Win 10 had major problems early on and I gave up on that version.

And changing the user interface every version is not acceptable.
XP is easy to do everything.
win8 makes it hard to find what I need to do.
win10 requires me to have a dummies book handy to figure out what to do with it.

The assertion is because windoze did not work well. win 10 was full of bugs and problems when it was released.

And if you plan to use any windoze system for audio you must tailor it or expect problems. The current ones are bloatware loaded social media interfaces that must be fixed for reliable audio use.
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:19 am

You really do have a very negative outlook on almost all of life, don't you? It's not endearing....

For what it's worth, I've been using Win 10 on my laptop for a few years now with a variety of different audio interfaces (Zoom, Focusrite, SADiE). Haven't tweaked a thing. Never had an issue...

I'm not a big fan of the 'panels' on the touchscreen GUI, but I don't find it a problem at all. It's just a new and different way of controlling the thing... as is Mac OS, or iOS, or Android...

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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby CS70 » Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:22 am

hobbyist wrote:And if you plan to use any windoze system for audio you must tailor it or expect problems.

My man, I've been using W10 for two years now recording and mixing daily, and otherwise using it as a regular pc with internet browsing and Netflix watching, and I haven't had to tweak one single thing beyond the device power management settings. Same for the various laptops I've used for location recordings in these years. A blanket statement like yours seems at best an oversimplification.

For the OP - is it only when you use the guitar that the audio input is distorted? If you feed a line signal for example from the phone, do you still hear distortion?

What I find it puzzling is that you have the same issue with two different computers and interfaces. That seems to rule out both hardware and software - unless the computer are identicaly component by component? It seems odd that an update would disrupt two different computers in the same manner.
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Doomofman » Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:15 pm

Yeah same thing happens with line input on the Scarlett...
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Agharta » Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:19 pm

hobbyist wrote:
Agharta wrote:
hobbyist wrote:Then get off the internet and turn off the antivirus program.
I would suggest you consider ubuntu instead of windoze.
But at least make sure win 10 is fixed and then turn off updates!
Leave them off. Forever.
Don't forget to wear a cape made of aluminium foil and to use a spell from a Harry Potter book to keep the demons at bay.

gratuitous insult noted

If you act like a clown I might treat you like a clown.
This is a sub forum for Windows and Linux support for DAWs is so limited that's not an option in any sense for many people. How do I run my Kontakt libraries for starters?
So to respond by suggesting using Ubuntu and using the term windoze marks you down as a clown in my eyes hence my response.
I have nothing against Linux and hope it continues to grow and especially for DAW usage.
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Flevo » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:07 pm

May be a strange question. Are the twe pc ‘s connecties via ethernet? Is there may be an other distortion source? Have you tried to turn the powerplug?
I can imaginaire that you have tryed iT on the laptop on batteries?
Is there in the program list a new program or update since then?

IT is an interesting problem, i must say that i do several thing on my pc and now and then there are Some issues i cant explain. After reinstal my music software all is back to normal. I am just trying things out.
I want to start more seriously so i bought a MacBook pro no issues at all ( for now)
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Eddy Deegan » Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:48 pm

Doomofman wrote:Yeah same thing happens with line input on the Scarlett...

Just to be clear ... if you set up the two systems independently with the Pod on one, the Scarlett on the other, and using one guitar with one and the other guitar with the other, the problem exhibits itself on both systems?

Are the two PCs of the same make and model or are they different?

Do you have any other USB audio devices you can try for comparison?

In cases such as this where the obvious things have been tried, it really does make sense to go right back to basics and start over. Having 2 separate systems is a good start :)

Let us know!
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Doomofman » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:18 pm

Just an update on this... Been super demotivated by it so just letting it sit for a couple of days in the hopes something inspires me to figure it out...

The two computers I've tried so far are a customer built high-end desktop and a Microsoft Surface Book 2.

I am working towards getting a dedicated PC for my audio setup as the current one is also used for gaming so maybe something there is conflicting so in the next few days I'll have a dedicated DAW machine.

At the moment, if I make enough changes to the tones I can get some passible results but not nearly as pleasant as before and not nearly as easily (previously I could just use any preset without changes and it would sound fine)

So whenever I sort the dedicate machine, that will get a fresh Windows 10 install with only the software and peripherals I need for audio recording, maybe that will solve the issue
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby CS70 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:20 pm

Another puzzling thing is that ASIO drivers, which are normally used with DAWs and audio interfaces, entirely bypass Windows audio subsystem. So something software affecting them on two different completely machines with two completely different interfaces sounds very odd. If it were a widespread OS related issue, everybody else would have the same problem, and patently that's not the case.

I would bet hard that it's something related to the rest of the chain. What are the common elements in your trials? I mean guitar, cables, location in the room, power socket etc..
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Doomofman » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:30 pm

CS70 wrote:Another puzzling thing is that ASIO drivers, which are normally used with DAWs and audio interfaces, entirely bypass Windows audio subsystem. So something software affecting them on two different completely machines with two completely different interfaces sounds very odd. If it were a widespread OS related issue, everybody else would have the same problem, and patently that's not the case.

I would bet hard that it's something related to the rest of the chain. What are the common elements in your trials? I mean guitar, cables, location in the room, power socket etc..

I have tried different instrument cables and guitars, I've tested the Scarlett interface on my laptop while it's running on battery and it still exhibited the same issue which should rule out the sockets.

I've tried guitars with passive and active pickups and they exhibit the same problem. The only thing that seems to still be fine is direct monitoring on the POD HD 500X.

I ran a mono line signal from my POD to the line in on the Scarlett interface and it exhibits the same issue too.

At this stage, I try one or two things, get fed up and then leave it a day and repeat that process
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby CS70 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:54 pm

Doomofman wrote:
CS70 wrote:Another puzzling thing is that ASIO drivers, which are normally used with DAWs and audio interfaces, entirely bypass Windows audio subsystem. So something software affecting them on two different completely machines with two completely different interfaces sounds very odd. If it were a widespread OS related issue, everybody else would have the same problem, and patently that's not the case.

I would bet hard that it's something related to the rest of the chain. What are the common elements in your trials? I mean guitar, cables, location in the room, power socket etc..

I have tried different instrument cables and guitars, I've tested the Scarlett interface on my laptop while it's running on battery and it still exhibited the same issue which should rule out the sockets.

I've tried guitars with passive and active pickups and they exhibit the same problem. The only thing that seems to still be fine is direct monitoring on the POD HD 500X.

I ran a mono line signal from my POD to the line in on the Scarlett interface and it exhibits the same issue too.

At this stage, I try one or two things, get fed up and then leave it a day and repeat that process

Fully understandable, but what I wonder are the elements in common - and at this stage it is likely to be something that has nothing to do with either the instruments or the computer.

Btw, the issue (distortion when monitoring via pc over the USB cable, and no distortion when you monitor directly from the POD HD500X) is present both on monitors and headphones? Do you use the same headphone out? And the same headphones?
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Doomofman » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:33 pm

CS70 wrote:
Doomofman wrote:
CS70 wrote:Another puzzling thing is that ASIO drivers, which are normally used with DAWs and audio interfaces, entirely bypass Windows audio subsystem. So something software affecting them on two different completely machines with two completely different interfaces sounds very odd. If it were a widespread OS related issue, everybody else would have the same problem, and patently that's not the case.

I would bet hard that it's something related to the rest of the chain. What are the common elements in your trials? I mean guitar, cables, location in the room, power socket etc..

I have tried different instrument cables and guitars, I've tested the Scarlett interface on my laptop while it's running on battery and it still exhibited the same issue which should rule out the sockets.

I've tried guitars with passive and active pickups and they exhibit the same problem. The only thing that seems to still be fine is direct monitoring on the POD HD 500X.

I ran a mono line signal from my POD to the line in on the Scarlett interface and it exhibits the same issue too.

At this stage, I try one or two things, get fed up and then leave it a day and repeat that process

Fully understandable, but what I wonder are the elements in common - and at this stage it is likely to be something that has nothing to do with either the instruments or the computer.

Btw, the issue (distortion when monitoring via pc over the USB cable, and no distortion when you monitor directly from the POD HD500X) is present both on monitors and headphones? Do you use the same headphone out? And the same headphones?

Same issue on Monitors and two sets of headphones but sure you can hear the issue on a recording anyway so it's not the output that's the problem...

In terms of what's in common, both interfaces are USB 2.0 (but have been tried on by 2.0 and 3.0/3.1 ports). Everything I've tried is via 1/4" jack (thought tested multiple cables), I could in theory try a mic via XLR but honestly, I don't record vocals so not sure I'd be able to recognise if there's an issue or not, but if the input jacks were the problem, surely monitoring directly on the POD would give the issue too.

What leaned me towards it being something with the PC itself was how sudden it was, everything had been going fine, I wired guitar with new pickups and was testing those out and noticed the issue, I initially assumed it was the pickups until I tested another guitar which the previous day had been working fine
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby N i g e l » Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:48 pm

Just for information - at the weekend, I had a major (in place) update from the original Windows 10 (which came on the laptop) to Windows 10, 1903 and I notice alot of activity with reinstalling drivers.

Most of my software works - word, Excell, photoshop, technical programs but it seems my music stuff is mainly f**ked !
:cry: :x :x :x :x :x :x

First to be noticed was Sony Sound Forge, it wanted to reinstall and couldnt find a server, =unuseable.

Bandlab Cakewalk wants to reinstall, after half an hour it cant find a server but can be cancelled and proceeds to be useable. This process repeats on next startup.

Yamaha THR10 practice amp editor- task manager says its running but no app window appears?? [I tried reinstalling this and also the Steinberg driver]

Ive not tried my HD500x as everythings packed away for room refurbishment, so I wont be spending to much time on this at the moment.
Hopefully it will cure itself soon !
:)
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby Pete Kaine » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:48 am

Sorry, "wants to reinstall"? I've never seen a program ask to reinstall, could you be a bit more specific to how that's being requested.

Is it not some kind of update that's now required to support the later OS build that's been applied?

It sounds like the underlying issue is a failure to connect to outside servers to some degree, are your regular internet browsers functioning correctly?

I'd try flushing everything as indicated below and updating your network drivers.

https://www.drivethelife.com/windows-10 ... ws-10.html
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Re: WIN10 - Audio Input Suddenly Distorted

Postby N i g e l » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:12 pm

My original windows10 was the one that came loaded on the machine. Recently “check for updates” indicated that it would no longer be supported from November so I should therefore upgrade to v1903. So Im now running v1903.

I am using the machine to access this forum. I have no problems with browsing, email, watching youtube etc.

Pete Kaine wrote:Sorry, "wants to reinstall"? I've never seen a program ask to reinstall, could you be a bit more specific to how that's being requested.

When starting up Bandlab cakewalk – it came up with a windows dialog box – “windows installer” – which ominously read “preparing to install”.

At first I clicked cancel, it cancelled but didn’t give me cakewalk.

Next I let the installer run – after a good while it timed out as it couldn’t find the server (I was connected to the internet). I cancelled the timeout dialog box and cakewalk proceeded to load.

It wasn’t fixed though as it did the same next time I started it.

I read that the THR10 editor has had problems before [on a windows update in 2018] so I followed some instructions to disconnect www, turn off windows antivirus & firewall and try again.

At some point that seemed to help cakewalk, which is now stable but not the THR10 editor. I also tried compatibility mode but to no avail.

I reinstalled SoundForge and it seems happy.


So my situation is slightly better-

SoundForge ok

Cakewalk running, although some of my VSTs need the license codes reapplied.

THR editor not working but amp is ok [connects to PC via USB for use with youtube/cakewalk etc]

The editor thinks its running, shows up in task manager at 0%. Alt-Tabbbing shows a blank white THR edit screen which cant be accessed (it should have background, clickable dials & buttons).

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