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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby Arpangel » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:36 am

Rich Hanson wrote:When my current MacBook dies (a piddly little 2012 i5 base model but it does the job more than adequately for the way I work) I am giving serious consideration to going back to PC, possibly even Linux.

As an example, I put Reaper on my Linux machine, I wouldn't be worried about using that OS at all for music, it's a viable option.
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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby Rich Hanson » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:39 pm

I have a Tracktion license, and that host has a native Linux version, so it's definitely an option. Anyway, not jumping ship until this laptop turns its toes up!
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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby CS70 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 8:03 pm

Howdy Doody Time wrote:Asd far as the previous model is concerned - I confirm the keyboard is not up to ZX81 standard, although it appears to have been developed with the same fiscal magnastritude employed by Sir Clive whilst failing to achieve the same level of reliability.

60K?

Is there really people willing to spend that much for a laptop?

Even at a third of that price, the value for money achieved by Sir Clive is incomparably superior :-D
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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby Urthlupe » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:45 am

I use a trashcan MacPro here whose comparative silence after the previous jet engine-esque MacPro was a massive relief (although it catastrophically failed within four months and had to be replaced.....).

Looks as if the new chassis has returned to multi-fan hell unfortunately, but just for fun I fully loaded one on the Apple site.....

£14,000.........!!!!! I was a bit stunned I must say.......

Our daughter and partner have just bought their first house.... that equals her half of the deposit - for a desktop computer - it really is a kind of lunacy I’m afraid.

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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby johnny h » Sun Nov 17, 2019 2:45 pm

Urthlupe wrote:I use a trashcan MacPro here whose comparative silence after the previous jet engine-esque MacPro was a massive relief (although it catastrophically failed within four months and had to be replaced.....).

Looks as if the new chassis has returned to multi-fan hell unfortunately, but just for fun I fully loaded one on the Apple site.....

£14,000.........!!!!! I was a bit stunned I must say.......

Our daughter and partner have just bought their first house.... that equals her half of the deposit - for a desktop computer - it really is a kind of lunacy I’m afraid.
A top spec Mac Pro is not really a “desktop computer”. It’s a super high end professional workstation with a huge power supply and thirsty, expensive graphics. The $1000 monitor stand is an absolute joke though. Even die hard Mac worshippers wince at that.

The Mac mini is a desktop computer and it’s fine for most tasks.
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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby Agharta » Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:37 pm

johnny h wrote:A top spec Mac Pro is not really a “desktop computer”. It’s a super high end professional workstation with a huge power supply and thirsty, expensive graphics.

Yes and these can generally easily go above £10K in price.
I imagine the disappointment with the next gen Mac Pro for audio users is more that the starting price is so high rather than how much a high end configuration costs.
The higher end versions are disappointing for another reason in that in some core ways the specs are already trounced by the competition.
AMD's 3rd generation Threadripper platform is released this month and it kicks the Intel platform into touch.
More and higher performing cores giving better performance and power efficiency and at a much lower cost.
PCIe 4.0 which doubles the bandwidth for SSDs.

I'm sure the Mac Pro has some unique features but the timing could hardly be worse.
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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby Urthlupe » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:04 am

johnny h wrote: A top spec Mac Pro is not really a “desktop computer”. It’s a super high end professional workstation with a huge power supply.

Here we go.... :-)

Whatever you say Johnny boy - I’m way past debating terms like ‘super high end’ (giggle), and whose PSU might be bigger.....

At my ‘augmented’ age I’m able to reflect on too many decades of computer use in a greater variety of settings than I can remember (I was out of my teens even before Jobs took the company public - 1980 I think). We clearly think different. Apologies if my view was presented as ‘a truth’, simply my view m8. I’ll get back to my current addiction - PUBG on iPad......

And just to demonstrate how dysfunctional and conflicted our gorgeous human world is - think I’m about to spend on one of the new 16” MacBook Pro’s.... maybe it’s more than just a lappie - Apple tell me it’s ‘The Best For The Brightest’. Maybe right in one sense at least :bouncy: ?

Xx

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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby zenguitar » Mon Nov 18, 2019 2:45 am

Four sockets to plug into +3

At the same price point as the previous generation +1

Catalina -1, but a flawed OS at worst can be fixed and at best can be upgraded.

As I was about to invest in a MacBook Pro with a single Thunderbolt connector, the new machine offers me another 3 connectors for free and saves me the cost of a Thunderbolt hub as well. My iMac can carry the load until Catalina is fixed.

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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby Howdy Doody Time » Mon Nov 18, 2019 12:16 pm

Zenguitar writes "Four sockets to plug into +3"

If they are the same as those on the 2019 (15") MBP they aren't much use. What I mean is if they are all USB C (Thunderbolt?) sockets. Most of what I want to plug in is USB vanilla, so a hub or two is still needed.

I advise getting hubs with long leads otherwise it's cumbersome and untidy.

My 2019 MBP should be a fabulous computer - 8 core Intel i9, 16 Gb, big solid state drive, but it isn't and wasn't before Catalina - it's worse since. But maybe Apple will sort something out.

I strongly advisw waiting before buying the latest MBP, it's too much money to throw away.
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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby T3Dflo » Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:29 pm

Honestly, all of you people who upgraded to Catalina when you had to have known it was having problems (specifically with audio) & are are all down on mac complaining about it, are a little ridiculous. What did expect was going to happen? I still havent upgraded & ive had 0 problems with my hardware or software...even new software. The new features on Catalina that they were advertising about were nonsense anyway. New 16" looks amazing. & I'm sure like most other mbps it'll be better than anything hp or acer etc etc have going on. Imo.
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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby cyrano.mac » Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:32 am

Yeah, it's ridiculous allright. :mrgreen:

What's maddening is that upgrading to Catalina was about the only suggestion Apple support had for solving audio problems with Mojave... :headbang:
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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby ConcertinaChap » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:22 am

T3Dflo wrote:Imo.

Other opinions are possible.

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Re: The 16" Macbook Pro is out

Postby IAA » Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:41 am

solving audio problems with Mojave... :headbang:

I’m avoiding Catalina and staying put on Mojave & Logic 10.4.4 until it’s sorted. My set up is solid (touches wooden surface and strokes horseshoe), I suspect it all will be sorted but I’ve never known such an outbreak of disruption on audio....but I’ve only used logic since v7 and Tiger :D

The new hardware looks lovely, but If you’re doing serious work, I’d hold off until the OS is more robust with audio.
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