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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby Marbury » Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:09 pm

ef37a wrote:I do not think a backup interface can been called "waste"?
You are self employed and you need your 'tools' to make a living.

No one is suggesting you junk the KA6,try to fix it but get a spare in!

PLEASE do not tell me you struggle on with one XLR mic cable? It would not be unreasonable in any way to have a spare microphone, most of the Great and Good on this forum cannot MOVE for the bloody things! Valhalla alone knows how many guitars and synths they own between them.

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I do fine with the one Oktava 219 since 1996. A nice stereo mic to stick on my Sony PCM-D50 would be nice for field recordings though but I only earn so much a year and have to be careful on outgoings to justify it.
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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby ef37a » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:47 pm

Marbury wrote:
ef37a wrote:I do not think a backup interface can been called "waste"?
You are self employed and you need your 'tools' to make a living.

No one is suggesting you junk the KA6,try to fix it but get a spare in!

PLEASE do not tell me you struggle on with one XLR mic cable? It would not be unreasonable in any way to have a spare microphone, most of the Great and Good on this forum cannot MOVE for the bloody things! Valhalla alone knows how many guitars and synths they own between them.

Dave.

I do fine with the one Oktava 219 since 1996. A nice stereo mic to stick on my Sony PCM-D50 would be nice for field recordings though but I only earn so much a year and have to be careful on outgoings to justify it.

Yes, heard good reports of the Oktavas but a Behringer XM8500 is about 15 quid and really quite good enough for a vital VO if your Okky gets buggered.

No mic, no show, no money!

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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby The Elf » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:53 pm

ef37a wrote:
Marbury wrote:
ef37a wrote:I do not think a backup interface can been called "waste"?
You are self employed and you need your 'tools' to make a living.

No one is suggesting you junk the KA6,try to fix it but get a spare in!

PLEASE do not tell me you struggle on with one XLR mic cable? It would not be unreasonable in any way to have a spare microphone, most of the Great and Good on this forum cannot MOVE for the bloody things! Valhalla alone knows how many guitars and synths they own between them.

I do fine with the one Oktava 219 since 1996. A nice stereo mic to stick on my Sony PCM-D50 would be nice for field recordings though but I only earn so much a year and have to be careful on outgoings to justify it.

Yes, heard good reports of the Oktavas but a Behringer XM8500 is about 15 quid and really quite good enough for a vital VO if your Okky gets buggered.

No mic, no show, no money!
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Your B-game doesn't have to live up to your main gear, but if you don't take backup you're asking for trouble, a very annoyed client and a bad reputation - and that's the kiss of death.

As a pro I *guarantee* to get the job done - and if I can't offer that guarantee I have no right to the title.
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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby Marbury » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:38 pm

Well I don't work for clients as such so no pressure. I just produce sounds as and when I want to and push them out into the libraries to sell, as well as my own personal work which gives me more satisfaction but not the income sadly. Multiple income streams (although its getting much harder to make a living than it was 10 years ago) is my key to earning my crust, albeit a tiny one at that but pays the bills. I have had a few of jobs asked of me where I put in the time and they said "nah, its not what I want etc" so I have avoided being messed around by people (usually ones that know me) who don't want to part with money.
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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby ef37a » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:05 pm

"" so I have avoided being messed around by people (usually ones that know me) who don't want to part with money"

Heh! Used to be a common theme in a saddly missed section of SOS.

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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby Marbury » Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:30 pm

Well I have got the case open (after a very long puzzle nd a zillion screws and glue ) and the usb hub is firmly attached to the board. The only thing that seemed odd was the 2 halves of the usb casing were slightly apart so I slotted them back together which felt tight. I then reassembled it, plugged the usb lead in and tried to boot the pc which was dead. I switched off the ps switch for a min or two and it fired up again, this time I have unplugged the K6 as I didn't want to risk any damage. Suffice to say that I will try and replace the USB completely and see what happens but something is throwing my pc into powering off and staying off which isn't good.

And to cap it, my new soldering iron that goes up to 400 degrees will not budge the solder on the board. Must be faulty.
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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:30 pm

Marbury wrote:Suffice to say that I will try and replace the USB completely and see what happens but something is throwing my pc into powering off and staying off which isn't good.

I think I would be looking for a power rail short in the USB socket or the PCB somehow.

And to cap it, my new soldering iron that goes up to 400 degrees will not budge the solder on the board. Must be faulty.

Well, it's easy enough to detect whether the thing is getting hot...

If it has a replaceable tip then switch it off and let it cool, and then check that the tip is fitted correctly and the sleeve clamp thread is tight. If the tip doesn't make contact with the heating element it will fail to reach the correct temperature. Also, make sure the tip is 'tinned' with the appropriate type of lead-free solder before attempting to solder/desolder anything on the PCB.

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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby ef37a » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:15 pm

If you have trouble re melting Pb free solder it is worth trying 'flooding' the pads with old Lead 60/40. The resultant mix will melt at an even lower temperature than the 60/40.

Once melting remove the solder with wick and, making SURE you have the right replacement B socket, best to carefully dissmantle the old one. Don't try to get it off in one piece, that way you risk breaking tracks and I will bet the board is dual sided with plated thru holes.

If you never intend to get rid of the KA6 you could solder it with 60/40 but better to use Lead free if you have some good stuff.

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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby Marbury » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:00 pm

Well trying to get a USB from an unwanted board for transplanting in the K6 and so far its a nightmare. The wick has become welded to the solder I am just about managing to melt and I have already made scuff marks in the board. Its far harder than I thought. I will have to buy a brand new usb but at this stage am still scared of removing the K6 one as there are no room for errors, Solder wick is useless from my experience and just makes more mess than needed. It doesn't remove melted solder, just glues itself to it.
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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby James Perrett » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:12 pm

Sounds very much like your iron isn't hot enough.
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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby Marbury » Thu Dec 19, 2019 11:44 pm

I don't know what to do. Just tried taking off the bad usb on the K6 and it has melted the solder off the main pins, sucked away with plunger but the pins are still holding, even having the iron set at full temp (400 degrees) Tried mopping th rest with the wick to no avail. The actual usb in the K6 seems to be in 2 halves which are lose which is probably a bad usb socket before it was welded in. Suffice to say I have lost £179 on a now useless bit of kit and don't want to have to buy another, especially NI as I no longer trust them. Besides, the new MkII version does not support Windows 7, only 10.

Stuck with a pig in a poke. :protest: :protest: :protest:
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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby ef37a » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:18 am

James Perrett wrote:Sounds very much like your iron isn't hot enough.

I tend to agree James.

Yes, wick will stick, like any skill you need to practice but there is wick and 'Wick'! Even on the same reel some patches are better than others and you have to be generous with it, one cm will only take up a miniscule amount of solder.

And....FCS don't try to use a USB port from another board! Order up a couple at least.

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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby Marbury » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:28 am

Yes, its going back to Amazon but I will be left with no iron and no way of knowing which new one would be hot enough to get this darn usb off the board.

This is the iron I have https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07 ... UTF8&psc=1

And would this be a good enough usb replacement ? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sourcingmap-US ... C6M513K33G
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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby zenguitar » Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:51 am

I have found a flux pen useful if old solder doesn’t want to melt. It’s not something you want to use automatically, but if you have problems it will help the old solder begin to flow. However, I am happy to be corrected by the experienced solder jockeys here.

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Re: Komplete 6 unit USB socket dead - How to replace

Postby ef37a » Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:40 am

zenguitar wrote:I have found a flux pen useful if old solder doesn’t want to melt. It’s not something you want to use automatically, but if you have problems it will help the old solder begin to flow. However, I am happy to be corrected by the experienced solder jockeys here.

Andy :beamup:

No argument from me Andy! Proper electronics flux is fine and does indeed promote flow. Some say you should clean it off after the work is done, others that it forms a protective coating? For the OP's purposes I doubt it matters.

https://cpc.farnell.com/duratool/d00675 ... KAQAvD_BwE

That ^ is the station I have. Bit of a spend I guess but will serve for years if my experience is anything to go by and there are always cables to make and fix.

Only a small part of it but one thing that separates the Pros from the Ams is having the RIGHT tools. Even if they cost a bit.

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