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Re: New Macs

Postby Kennyscrown » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:02 am

BobTheDog wrote:Any class compliant audio device should work, maybe they plugged it in and it didn't though.

You could always just buy one, try it out and if it doesn't work return it.

Edit: just had a look on the web, looks like the interface will work fine but the software to control the mixer will not work. If you don't need that then I guess its ok to get it.

Thanks, will probably take a risk bearing in mind that they say they are working on the software.
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Re: New Macs

Postby BigRedX » Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:05 am

blinddrew wrote:See also printer cartridges with RFID chips... :protest:

TBH if colour accuracy is important to you when printing then it makes sense to use the printer manufacturer's own brand ink cartridges. IME, not matter how compatible 3rd party cartridges claim to be, the fact is that the colours will not be the same and they may also be absorbed by the paper in a different way which will also change how they appear. Whilst it is possible to tweak the colour settings on some printers to compensate, it requires specialised hardware to check the output, a lot of time an effort on the part of the user, and ultimately is more hassle than saving some money on cheap cartridges is worth.
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Re: New Macs

Postby blinddrew » Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:24 pm

BigRedX wrote:
blinddrew wrote:See also printer cartridges with RFID chips... :protest:

TBH if colour accuracy is important to you when printing then it makes sense to use the printer manufacturer's own brand ink cartridges. IME, not matter how compatible 3rd party cartridges claim to be, the fact is that the colours will not be the same and they may also be absorbed by the paper in a different way which will also change how they appear. Whilst it is possible to tweak the colour settings on some printers to compensate, it requires specialised hardware to check the output, a lot of time an effort on the part of the user, and ultimately is more hassle than saving some money on cheap cartridges is worth.
I get that, but I still think we should have the choice.
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Re: New Macs

Postby CS70 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:02 pm

Sam Spoons wrote:I certainly have no problem charging iDevices from 3rd party chargers and cables, a while ago they did seem to dislike some non-Apple cables but over the last few years the only one's I've had issues with have been "Poundland specials'. Reputable manufacturer USB chargers don't seem to give any problems.

Laptop chargers are a different matter though and I'm pretty sure, given the required spec for USB C cables the charger for my MBP is capable of supplying somewhat more than the old style 5VDC leaving a much bigger opportunity for damage.

I have no idea when exactly it happens, and it happens less with the latest iphones/ipads, but I occasionally get a "this device is not supported" or something like that.

In about 40 years of dealing with computers (I started at about 10...) I have never seen any other device behaving that way.

There was, of course, the mechanically-clamped 16K expansion of the ZX81 that could suffer from occasional glitches if was inadvertently moved from it slot.. :lol:
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Re: New Macs

Postby CS70 » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:07 pm

BobTheDog wrote:But all still going, what about your other manufacturers devices over that period you have, how many are still running?

Not replying specifically to your reply to s_e_a_n, but I was happy last year (no wait, 2019) to find out that my ZX81 still powered up fine and the cursor showed up. The hardest bit was to find a TV with coaxial input to test it with.

The original Sinclair16K expansion was, however, fried. :( Not sure where to complain...
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Re: New Macs

Postby desmond » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:09 pm

CS70 wrote:I have no idea when exactly it happens, and it happens less with the latest iphones/ipads, but I occasionally get a "this device is not supported" or something like that.

It happens when you buy cheap counterfeit three quid lightning cables from eBay, happens much less if you buy proper branded UK-sold lightning cables from a reputable third-party, and doesn't happen at all with Apple cables (unless they're broken).

The takeaway from that is don't try to cheap out with counterfeit cables (but yes, Apple cables are expensive).
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Re: New Macs

Postby Sam Spoons » Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:13 pm

CS70 wrote:I have no idea when exactly it happens, and it happens less with the latest iphones/ipads, but I occasionally get a "this device is not supported" or something like that.

In about 40 years of dealing with computers (I started at about 10...) I have never seen any other device behaving that way.

I adopted the Apple ecosystem when smartphones were first becoming commonplace (iPhone 3GS was my first smartphone) and have hardly owned/used any non Apple devices, the exception was a Sony eBook Reader which refused to talk to third party chargers of any flavour. Since I find Android impenetrable* I have no interest in using non Apple tablets or smartphones so I doubt I'll ever find out if they are more accommodating.

BobTheDog wrote:Thanks goodness the EU are looking after us.

Oh, hang on a sec.

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CS70 wrote:I have no idea when exactly it happens, and it happens less with the latest iphones/ipads, but I occasionally get a "this device is not supported" or something like that.

It happens when you buy cheap counterfeit three quid lightning cables from eBay, happens much less if you buy proper branded UK-sold lightning cables from a reputable third-party, and doesn't happen at all with Apple cables (unless they're broken).

The takeaway from that is don't try to cheap out with counterfeit cables (but yes, Apple cables are expensive).

Decent third party cables are usually fine (95% of the time), as I said above steer clear of 'Poundland Specials'

* Purely a matter of familiarity, I learned iOS back at the beginning, Android is different and I no incentive to learn how to use it.
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Re: New Macs

Postby CS70 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:13 am

desmond wrote:
CS70 wrote:I have no idea when exactly it happens, and it happens less with the latest iphones/ipads, but I occasionally get a "this device is not supported" or something like that.

It happens when you buy cheap counterfeit three quid lightning cables from eBay, happens much less if you buy proper branded UK-sold lightning cables from a reputable third-party, and doesn't happen at all with Apple cables (unless they're broken).

The takeaway from that is don't try to cheap out with counterfeit cables (but yes, Apple cables are expensive).

Nah, it happens occasionally with cables which are not branded, but sold in perfectly reputable high streets shops. I never bought a lighting cable from eBay because it would be stupid to pay shipping for something I can find around the corner :lol: .

The takeaway is not that at all. Because there's nothing inherently expensive or to counterfeit at all, in a lighting cable: some metal, rubber and maybe a $.001 chip. It's like a pair of socks: beyond a very reasonable standard of manufacturing, it cannot be made special in any particular way. Or like audio cables... ;-)

The takeaway seems that something very simple is made complicated, where it shouldn't be. Hence me wondering which kind of odd design choices have been made...
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Re: New Macs

Postby CS70 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:17 am

Sam Spoons wrote:I adopted the Apple ecosystem when smartphones were first becoming commonplace

Same here.. I am prisoner of my own laziness, and 15 years of accumulated data, familiarity and the family ecosystem. A man never knows fear until he has children.. and tries to change the operating system of their phone or pad. :lol:

And gotta say, I always liked the iPhone interface better than any Android I've ever tried.
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Re: New Macs

Postby desmond » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:28 am

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desmond wrote:happens much less if you buy proper branded UK-sold lightning cables from a reputable third-party

Nah, it happens occasionally with cables which are not branded, but sold in perfectly reputable high streets shops.

I'm not sure why you're saying no and then stating exactly what I said in the post you quoted?

I said it happens "much less" with reputable cables not from Apple that you can buy legitimately in shops, not that it doesn't happen.

You won't find unbranded cables in UK shops, they are all branded. (Perhaps you thought I mean "Apple branded" - I did not, there all all kinds of brands of cables you can buy in Currys/Sainsbury's/etc.

CS70 wrote:The takeaway is not that at all. Because there's nothing inherently expensive or to counterfeit at all, in a lighting cable: some metal, rubber and maybe a $.001 chip. It's like a pair of socks: beyond a very reasonable standard of manufacturing, it cannot be made special in any particular way. Or like audio cables... ;-)

No, the cheap Chinese knock offs are very clearly obviously counterfeited. Even down to the packaging, and the marketing "Genuine Apple-branded cable!" etc. And they are all garbage and if they work at all, you might get a few weeks before you start getting connection problems, maybe longer if you are lucky.

You may have your own takeaway on your posts, but you can't take mine! ;)
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Re: New Macs

Postby BigRedX » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:16 pm

Is there an "Apple Event" coming up any time soon.

The iMac Pro appears to be in short supply and limited options, so I wonder if it is about to be replaced?
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Re: New Macs

Postby desmond » Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:20 pm

BigRedX wrote:Is there an "Apple Event" coming up any time soon.

Yes, end of March. Don't get excited, it's going to be for stuff like iPads, Airpods, Airtags etc, according to rumours.

BigRedX wrote:The iMac Pro appears to be in short supply and limited options, so I wonder if it is about to be replaced?

The iMac Pro is history, it will not be replaced.

Of course, the iMacs, and the 16" Macbook Pros are due to be replaced for Mx versions, likely in June.
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Re: New Macs

Postby CS70 » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:22 pm

desmond wrote:No, the cheap Chinese knock offs are very clearly obviously counterfeited. Even down to the packaging, and the marketing "Genuine Apple-branded cable!" etc.

Apologies, my misunderstanding. You meant really counterfeited in a literal sense, not just lookalike as shape. These aren't the ones I am speaking of - the ones I buy at high street shops are a little cheaper but clearly branded with their own brand and packaging.

They last exactly as long the real Apple ones, but occasionally give the "not supported" message..
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Re: New Macs

Postby desmond » Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:58 pm

CS70 wrote:You meant really counterfeited in a literal sense, not just lookalike as shape. These aren't the ones I am speaking of - the ones I buy at high street shops are a little cheaper but clearly branded with their own brand and packaging.

Yep, I listed three cable types, if that wasn't clear - genuine Apple ones, branded third-party ones available to buy in UK shops, and the cheap knock-offs you get on ebay etc.

CS70 wrote:They last exactly as long the real Apple ones, but occasionally give the "not supported" message..

Not in my experience. My genuine ones last typically for the lifetime of the cable (ie, up to the time the cable starts to physically fail), whereas a range of third-party ones bought in shops (and not especially cheap either) tended to last anywhere from three to 12 months, on average based on my sample size over the last 8 or so years - multiple Apple ones, multiple cheap ebay ones (cheap, worth a try) and multiple ones of various good third-party brands bought in shops, probably a good 6+ of each, plus other family and friends experiences added in there.

I've never had a "not supported" issue with genuine cables, but definitely do get them with branded third-parties over the lifespan mentioned above - some of which causing cables in otherwise perfectly good condition to be discarded because they no longer work, and/or charge Apple devices.

I absolutely have observed and experienced repeatable way improved lifetimes with genuine cables over any other solution, meaning that I favour that approach where possible. Ymmv of course, I'm just mentioning my experiences with them.
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Re: New Macs

Postby ConcertinaChap » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:47 pm

desmond wrote:
BigRedX wrote:The iMac Pro appears to be in short supply and limited options, so I wonder if it is about to be replaced?

The iMac Pro is history, it will not be replaced.

That's my understanding but as an iMac Pro owner it doesn't bother me. This machine will see me well into the Apple silicon era; indeed at my age it might be my last ever computer.

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