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Re: SSL Six

Postby The Elf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:50 am

Hugh Robjohns wrote:However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if SSL release a bigger version of the SiX (maybe a TWeLVE*) console very soon... :lol:
I'm sending the two Rons around to have a, ahem... conversation with you about what you know... :lol: ;)
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Re: SSL Six

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:07 am

Not me mate... I know nuffink... :lol:
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Re: SSL Six

Postby ef37a » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:34 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
jellyjim wrote:I don't quite get it though. It's not a complete solution, right?

It's 'an ickle' mixer with SSL build quality and circuitry. It's not a Duality console. It's not a computer interface. It's not a Behringer.

If you want something that mixes a few channels together with some flexible facilities in high-quality and with a reasonable monitoring section, it might be the perfect tool. If you want to mix a lot of sources together, or need a lot of mic preamps, or want complex four-band EQ or fader automation, this isn't the tool for you.

I don't see how it can accomodate even my modest set up...

The Six can accommodate up to 12 inputs for summing. If you need more than that (or more than two mic inputs) you'll need a bigger mixer. SSL have a variety of larger mixers available, as do many other manufacturers. :D

I don't see how I can achieve all of the above on this?

You can't. Your requirements demand a larger console... or interface. However, I wouldn't be at all surprised if SSL release a bigger version of the SiX (maybe a TWeLVE*) console very soon... :lol:

(*Notional name only)

And maybe with just S/PDIF out on the main mix?
My suggestion of two mixers was not altogether in jest? I can see two 6's would bend the plastic mightily but very often people run out of inputs on "lesser" machines and it can be the case that although a 16 input mixer is difficult to plant, Room can be found for two smaller footprints?

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Re: SSL Six

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:39 pm

ef37a wrote:And maybe with just S/PDIF out on the main mix?

I think the market for which the SiX was designed tends to be quite fussy about converters. So the decision was taken to make the SiX a superb analogue desk -- without any nasty square-edged digital stuff flying around its innards -- and leave the choice of whatever fashionable flavour of digital conversion was required to the end user to be connected externally. I can see the sense in that.

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Re: SSL Six

Postby Zukan » Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:00 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:Not me mate... I know nuffink... :lol:

You speak with forked tongue!

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Re: SSL Six

Postby ef37a » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:02 pm

Hugh Robjohns wrote:
ef37a wrote:And maybe with just S/PDIF out on the main mix?

I think the market for which the SiX was designed tends to be quite fussy about converters. So the decision was taken to make the SiX a superb analogue desk -- without any nasty square-edged digital stuff flying around its innards -- and leave the choice of whatever fashionable flavour of digital conversion was required to the end user to be connected externally. I can see the sense in that.

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'Spose, but, put it in a tin with feed through caps and some RF chokes? Be ok.

Ok, that was a bit twee Hugh but you review plenty of digital stuff with noise floors around -120dB fs and I am sure SSL are up to that?

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Re: SSL Six

Postby The Elf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:06 pm

I'm reserving a HUGE facepalm if they miss off digital interfacing this time around! :lol:

(Only semi-serious!) :wink:
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Re: SSL Six

Postby Hugh Robjohns » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:55 pm

ef37a wrote:... I am sure SSL are up to that?

I'm sure they are... but it's their call to build things to suit the markets they perceive want their stuff. I've no idea what the sales are like for the SiX, but I've met plenty of people who either aspire towards or have already bought SiXs, and a considerably larger number of people who have rejected it as inappropriate for their workflows and requirements...

The inability to serve as an USB interface is the most common criticism I've been hearing, and most have said they want direct USB (or Dante) connectivity rather than S/PDIF or AES3 etc. But as the nice man from SSL said when I looked at the SiX, SSL is a mixer and signal processing manufacturer, not an interface company -- and the interface market is pretty heavily saturated and highly cost-competitive. Perhaps they're unconvinced they could make sufficient headway into that market? I dunno.

But I do think there is a reasonable market for affordable, small-scale analogue SSL consoles, and now that SSL have access to Audiotonix's Chinese production plant that has become a very real option. There are lots of people with Mackies and A&Hs etc that would love something from SSL in their place if it didn't require the selling of major body parts.

It's an interesting time for SSL, and the company is branching out into some new market areas with some very interesting products.

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Re: SSL Six

Postby The Elf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:54 pm

Interesting that you've met more 'nearly' customers like me then, Hugh. I was afraid that may be the case.

A SiX without digital I/O was not for me. I doubt that a TWeLVE *with* digital I/O would be for me, either. I don't need more channels, a bigger footprint, or a wider price tag.

I find the idea of Dante interesting. I didn't have much success with it in my recent attempts to use it, but I do feel it lies in my future.
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Re: SSL Six

Postby James Perrett » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:31 pm

I wonder if there is a good case to be made for SSL adding an accessory connector to a future version and then creating a matching digital box that attaches to the mixer somehow. A bit like a laptop docking station perhaps?
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Re: SSL Six

Postby The Elf » Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:05 pm

Or like the digital output option I have fitted to one of my SuperAnalogue Channels? If they could do it in the past I see no reason they couldn't do it now.

I like your idea, and I sincerely hope they could do something like you suggest (not a separate box, though - I like the 'dock' idea!).
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Re: SSL Six

Postby Arpangel » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:28 am

One day recently I had one of those "who cares" moments and actually considered ordering a Six to replace my Mackie 1202, all was fine, but the thing that stopped me from picking up the phone wasn't channel count, looks, lack of digital I/O, it was........D-Sub's!!!!
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Re: SSL Six

Postby ef37a » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:39 am

Arpangel wrote:One day recently I had one of those "who cares" moments and actually considered ordering a Six to replace my Mackie 1202, all was fine, but the thing that stopped me from picking up the phone wasn't channel count, looks, lack of digital I/O, it was........D-Sub's!!!!

Awww! Surely if you have a sufficiently flexible friend for a Six you can run to some breakout cables? Or, like me you might find making your own very zen?

Err? NOT put off by the external PSU?

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Re: SSL Six

Postby Arpangel » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:59 am

ef37a wrote:
Arpangel wrote:One day recently I had one of those "who cares" moments and actually considered ordering a Six to replace my Mackie 1202, all was fine, but the thing that stopped me from picking up the phone wasn't channel count, looks, lack of digital I/O, it was........D-Sub's!!!!

Awww! Surely if you have a sufficiently flexible friend for a Six you can run to some breakout cables? Or, like me you might find making your own very zen?

Err? NOT put off by the external PSU?

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Ha! Not worried about the PSU, I don't know what it is about D-Sub's? they are an expense, but I find them a bit comfusing, you have to label everything, and on a mixer that size there isn't enough I/O to not use XLR/Jack connectors. So you've got the D-Sub and the PSU to carry around to gigs etc.
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Re: SSL Six

Postby jellyjim » Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:26 pm

I reckon there's definitely still a market for high quality analogue consoles with a slightly lower spec than a full desk. Perhaps even a gap in the market.

Analogue suits my workflow, outlook and expectations. I'm a middle-aged man with a good salary (thank you Shiva) so these kind of prices aren't unmanageable.

I like to eliminate variables. SSL is a guarantee of quality. If the sound coming out of it is rubbish then I'm to blame, not the gear. I find that kind of thing clears my creative decks.

Is it just me or does this Neve console sound a bit shit? Um, no it's just you, cloth ears :bouncy:

I find myself Googling things like "vintage Sony broadcast mixers that sound fab but haven't gone crazy prices yet" or looking at moth eaten Ameks on Reverb and thinking "just needs a polish" ...

Whether I need to go as far as SSL kind of quality is probably a question worth asking myself but anyway, I'll await the SiX-and-a-bit, or EiGHT or TWeLVe or whatever it might be ... or just dump a synth ;)
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